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Subject: Re: WCCC9 and WMCCC Paderborn June 1999

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 23:40:22 02/24/99

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On February 24, 1999 at 19:16:42, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On February 24, 1999 at 18:40:30, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>>I sit in my house and occasionally buy a computer, which I take to these events.
>> When I come back, I have to eat the thing for the next year or two.  It becomes
>>my development machine or my ICC machine or whatever.
>>
>>If I want to buy a computer, I should be able to buy a quality computer.  I
>>shouldn't be essentially forced to buy a crap machine so I can get an extra few
>>mhz out of it.  I don't want to have to buy a crappy case and a crappy
>>motherboard and a crappy hard-disk, just so I can go 10% faster until the
>>machine breaks.
>I agree with the sentiment.  But if your machine is a 'microcomputer' with a
>1GHz Alpha chip which would cost $10,000 for the chip alone (were it available
>to the public but isn't) is your machine a microcomputer while the 2 CPU PII 300
>MHz machine costing $4000 is not?  I don't buy it.  But I'm listening.

If you want to say that you can get a machine that is 1) extremely fast, 2)
extremely expensive, and 3) legal, rather than one that is 1) slower, 2)
cheaper, and 3) illegal, I can't argue.

Obviously the cheapest 2-cpu machine is less costly than the most expensive
single-cpu machine.

However, the legality or illegality of each of these machines in a WMCCC isn't
in dispute at this point, the rules clearly state that the machine needs to be
single-processor.  Nobody has seriously challenged this yet.

Is it time that this be changed?  Sure, why not.  In ten years things are going
to be crazy, and a "microcomputer" as currently defined might not be something
you can actually buy anymore, they might all be multi-processor for all we know.

But none of this is what I am talking about.  I have enough money that I can buy
a nice development machine every once in a while.  I don't have enough money
that I can waste it on a machine that comes in just barely legal.  I'm probably
really screwed in this case, since the amount I spend on machines is fairly
constant, so I can't even use last year's crappy machine this year, since it
cost about as much as a new machine would cost this year.

Single-processor might be an antiquated restriction.

I think that probably all we are really left with is size.  The thing, minus
monitor, mouse, and keyboard, would need to weigh less than X pounds or have a
volume less than Y cubic inches.  That's what a microcomputer is, IMHO.

>It's not terribly important to me, especially since I have not even written a
>chess program and am therefore rather unlikely to get an invite. ;-)
>However, I do think that in the name of fairness we should think about what the
>"Microcomputer" championship means.  If Joe can compete with a $50,000 machine
>that no one can get even a full year later and Pete is kicked out because his
>$4,000 machine has 2 CPU's, then something seems intrinsically unfair about it.

The processor has to be "generally available", but the system itself doesn't.

>I do realize that it is an opportunity for chipmakers to show off.  I imagine
>that they sponsor the thing in certain ways and if that is driving it then fine.
> But we should call it the "Single CPU champion that fits in a cubic foot"
>champion of the world.  Calling it the microcomputer champion seems a bit of a
>sham to me.

Fair enough, but it's not the "cheap microcomputer" championship either.

bruce



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