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Subject: Re: who's winning?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 18:59:49 08/25/05

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On August 25, 2005 at 20:37:47, Uri Blass wrote:

>On August 25, 2005 at 20:15:49, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 25, 2005 at 19:44:47, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>>On August 25, 2005 at 18:12:41, Will Singleton wrote:
>>>
>>>>[d]rnb1r1k1/1p1p1pPp/8/pP2p3/2P5/2P5/2Q1NPPP/q1B1KB1R b K -
>>>>
>>>>White's a GM, black's a computer.  I would guess a GM might like white, not
>>>>sure.  Most comps like black due to material, at least initially.
>>>
>>>CM9_R1 on an AMD 2500 prefers White, and has a tough time deciding what Black
>>>should play:
>>>
>>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>>0:01	1/8	1.01	195492		1...Rd8 2.Ng3 Kxg7 3.Bd3 Kh8 4.O-O
>>>					d5 5.cxd5 Rxd5
>>>0:02	1/8	0.48	259601		1...d6 2.Ng3 Nd7 3.Ne4 Re6 4.Be2
>>>					f5 5.Ng3
>>>0:03	1/9	1.68	542371		1...d6 2.Kd2 Bf5 3.Qxf5 Qa2+ 4.Ke1
>>>					Qxc4 5.Ba3 Re6 6.Qb1 Kxg7
>>>0:03	1/9	1.24	652429		1...Rd8 2.Ng3 d5 3.Be2 d4 4.cxd4
>>>					Qxd4 5.Bb2 Qd6 6.O-O
>>>0:04	1/9	1.21	771529		1...b6 2.Ng3 d6 3.Be2 Nd7 4.Bf3
>>>					e4 5.Nxe4 f5
>>>0:05	1/9	0.90	1176072		1...d5 2.cxd5 Nd7 3.Ng3 Nc5 4.Be2
>>>					Qa4 5.Qxa4 Nxa4 6.Nh5 Rd8
>>>0:07	1/10	0.87	1522209		1...d5 2.cxd5 Nd7 3.Ng3 Nc5 4.Bc4
>>>					Kxg7 5.O-O Qa4 6.Qe2 Kg8
>>>0:15	1/11	1.02	3731408		1...d5 2.cxd5 b6 3.Ng3 Bb7 4.Be2
>>>					Bxd5 5.O-O Qa2 6.Bb2 Qb3
>>>0:28	1/11	0.59	7062603		1...a4 2.Ng3 a3 3.Kd2 Kxg7 4.Nf5+
>>>					Kf8 5.Nd6 a2 6.Bd3 Qb1 7.Qxb1 axb1=Q
>>>					8.Bxb1
>>>0:52	1/12	0.45	13163255	1...a4 2.Ng3 a3 3.Kd2 d5 4.cxd5
>>>					Nd7 5.Bc4 Nc5 6.Nh5 Rd8 7.Nf6+ Kxg7
>>>1:28	1/13	1.54	22944165	1...a4 2.Ng3 a3 3.Bd3 e4 4.Nxe4
>>>					d5 5.cxd5 f5 6.O-O fxe4 7.Bxe4
>>>					Rxe4 8.Qxe4 Qxc3 9.Qe8+ Kxg7 10.Bf4
>>>2:14	1/13	0.91	35190263	1...d5 2.cxd5 Nd7 3.Ng3 Nb6 4.c4
>>>					Bd7 5.Be2 Nxd5 6.O-O Qc3 7.Qd1
>>>					Nb6 8.Bg5
>>>3:35	2/14	1.07	56970572	1...d5 2.cxd5 a4 3.Ng3 a3 4.Bd3
>>>					e4 5.Nxe4 f5 6.O-O fxe4 7.Bxe4
>>>					Rxe4 8.Qxe4 Qxc3 9.Qe8+ Kxg7 10.Be3
>>>					a2 11.Qe7+ Kg8
>>>
>>>jm
>>
>>d5 seems to be the only move(except maybe a4)
>>
>>Shredder9 at depth 17:
>>
>>New game,
>>rnb1r1k1/1p1p1pPp/8/pP2p3/2P5/2P5/2Q1NPPP/q1B1KB1R b K - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Shredder 9 UCI:
>>
>>1. ² (0.44): 1...d5 2.cxd5 Bd7 3.Ng3 Rc8 4.Qb2 Qxb2 5.Bxb2 Kxg7 6.Bd3 f6 7.Ke2
>>b6 8.Re1 h6 9.c4 Kf7 10.Ne4
>>2. +- (1.82): 1...a4 2.Ng3 d5 3.cxd5 Bg4 4.Bd3 e4 5.Nxe4 Nd7 6.0-0 Bf5 7.Bg5 Qa3
>>8.Nf6+ Nxf6 9.Bxf5 Qd6 10.c4 b6 11.Ra1 Kxg7 12.Qb2 Qe5
>>3. +- (2.62): 1...Re6 2.Ng3 d5 3.cxd5 Rh6 4.Bd3 Rh4 5.0-0 Qa4 6.Qe2 Nd7 7.Nf5
>>Nc5 8.Ne7+ Kxg7 9.Bf5 Bd7 10.Bg5 f6
>>4. +- (2.64): 1...Nc6 2.bxc6 bxc6 3.Ng3 Rb8 4.Be2 Qb1 5.Qxb1 Rxb1 6.0-0 Rb3
>>7.Nh5
>>
>>(,  26.08.2005)
>>
>>The evaluation of all these moves goes down at depth 18
>>
>>New game,
>>rnb1r1k1/1p1p1pPp/8/pP2p3/2P5/2P5/2Q1NPPP/q1B1KB1R b K - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Shredder 9 UCI:
>>
>>1. ± (0.77): 1...d5 2.cxd5 Bd7 3.Ng3 Rc8 4.Qb2 Qxb2 5.Bxb2 Kxg7 6.Bd3 f6 7.c4 h6
>>8.f4 exf4 9.Nh5+ Kf7 10.Nxf6
>>2. +- (1.89): 1...a4 2.Ng3 d5 3.cxd5 Bg4 4.Bd3 e4 5.Nxe4 Nd7 6.0-0 Bf5 7.Bg5 Qa3
>>8.Nf6+ Nxf6 9.Bxf5 Qd6 10.c4 b6 11.Kh1 a3 12.Ra1 h5
>>3. +- (2.93): 1...Re6 2.Ng3 h5 3.Be2 h4 4.0-0 hxg3
>>4. +- (3.13): 1...Nc6 2.Ng3 Nb4 3.cxb4
>>
>>(,  26.08.2005)
>>
>>Itertion 18 still was not finished but 4...Re6 and 4...Nc6 already lost their
>>place in the top 4.
>>
>>New game,
>>rnb1r1k1/1p1p1pPp/8/pP2p3/2P5/2P5/2Q1NPPP/q1B1KB1R b K - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Shredder 9 UCI:
>>
>>1. ± (0.77): 1...d5 2.cxd5 Bd7 3.Ng3 Rc8 4.Qb2 Qxb2 5.Bxb2 Kxg7 6.Bd3 f6 7.c4 h6
>>8.f4 exf4 9.Nh5+ Kf7 10.Nxf6
>>2. +- (1.89): 1...a4 2.Ng3 d5 3.cxd5 Bg4 4.Bd3 e4 5.Nxe4 Nd7 6.0-0 Bf5 7.Bg5 Qa3
>>8.Nf6+ Nxf6 9.Bxf5 Qd6 10.c4 b6 11.Kh1 a3 12.Ra1 h5
>>3. +- (2.58): 1...d6 2.Kd2 Bf5 3.Qxf5 Qa2+ 4.Kd1 Qb3+ 5.Qc2 Qxc4 6.Nd4 Qc5 7.Nf5
>>Nd7 8.Nh6+ Kxg7 9.Qf5 Qd5+ 10.Bd2 Qe6 11.Bd3 e4 12.Re1
>>4. +- (2.92): 1...Rd8 2.Ng3 d5 3.cxd5 Bg4 4.Bd3 Rc8 5.c4 e4 6.Bxe4 Qxg7 7.0-0
>>Re8 8.Bb2 Qh6 9.Qc3 f6 10.Nf5 Bxf5
>>
>>(,  26.08.2005)
>>
>>
>>
>>Uri
>
>Iteration 18 was finished with no change
>
>Iteration 19 all moves drop in score but 1...a4 is improving.
>
>New game,
>rnb1r1k1/1p1p1pPp/8/pP2p3/2P5/2P5/2Q1NPPP/q1B1KB1R b K - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Shredder 9 UCI:
>
>1. ± (1.23): 1...d5 2.cxd5 Nd7 3.Ng3 Nb6 4.c4 Re7 5.Be2 f5 6.Nh5 Rf7 7.0-0 Qa4
>8.Qc3
>2. ± (1.39): 1...a4 2.Ng3 d5 3.cxd5 a3 4.Bd3 e4 5.Nxe4 Bf5 6.0-0 Nd7 7.Ng5
>3. +- (2.59): 1...d6 2.Kd2 Bf5 3.Qxf5 Qa2+ 4.Kd1 Qxc4 5.Ng3 Qb3+ 6.Qc2 Qd5+
>7.Qd2 Qb3+ 8.Ke1 Nd7 9.Nf5 Re6 10.Bd3
>4. +- (3.13): 1...Rd8 2.Ng3 d5 3.cxd5 Bg4 4.Bd3 Rc8 5.c4 e4 6.Bxe4 Qxg7 7.0-0 h5
>8.d6 h4 9.Bxb7 hxg3 10.Bxa8 gxh2+ 11.Kxh2
>
>(,  26.08.2005)
>
>
>Rd8 lost the 4th place for Re6
>
>
>4. +- (3.10): 1...Re6 2.Ng3 d5 3.cxd5 Re7 4.Bd3
>
>(,  26.08.2005)
>
>Re6 lost the 4th place for Nc6
>
>4. +- (2.86): 1...Nc6 2.Ng3 Nb4 3.cxb4 axb4 4.Be2 Ra2 5.Qd1 b3 6.Bg5 Re6 7.0-0
>Qxd1 8.Rxd1 Rg6 9.Bd2 d6 10.Ne4
>
>(,  26.08.2005)
>
>I will not continue to depth 20 but give more analysis to 1...d5 2.cxd5 and
>1...a4 2.Ng3

After 1...d5 2.cxd5 I get +1.60 for white in the best option at depth 19 and the
plan of white is Ng3 and c4


New game,
rnb1r1k1/1p3pPp/8/pP1Pp3/8/2P5/2Q1NPPP/q1B1KB1R b K - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 9 UCI:

1. +- (1.60): 2...Nd7 3.Ng3 Nb6 4.c4 f5 5.Nh5 Kf7 6.Be2 Qa4 7.Qd3 Qa2 8.0-0 e4
9.Qd4 Qxe2 10.Nf6 Rg8 11.Nxg8 Kxg8 12.Qxb6 Qxc4
2. +- (1.97): 2...Re7 3.Ng3 Rc7 4.c4 e4 5.Be2 Re7 6.0-0 Qf6 7.Bb2 Qh6 8.Qc1 Qxc1
9.Rxc1 b6 10.c5 Re8 11.c6
3. +- (2.32): 2...b6 3.Ng3 Nd7 4.Bc4 Nc5 5.0-0 Qa4 6.Qe2
4. +- (2.39): 2...e4 3.Ng3 Nd7 4.Nh5 Re5 5.Be2 Nc5 6.0-0 Qa4 7.Nf6+ Kxg7 8.Qd2

(,  26.08.2005)

After 1...a4 2.Ng3 it seems that d5 is best and not good for black

New game,
rnb1r1k1/1p1p1pPp/8/1P2p3/p1P5/2P3N1/2Q2PPP/q1B1KB1R b K - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 9 UCI:

1. ± (1.39): 2...d5 3.cxd5
2. +- (2.53): 2...a3 3.Bd3 e4 4.Bxe4 d5 5.cxd5 f5 6.0-0 fxe4 7.Nxe4 Nd7 8.d6 a2
9.Qb3+ Kxg7 10.Bh6+ Kxh6 11.Rxa1 Rxe4 12.f3 Re5 13.c4 b6 14.Rxa2 Nc5 15.Qc3 Rxa2
16.Qxe5
3. +- (3.28): 2...d6 3.Bd3 e4 4.Nxe4 d5 5.0-0 dxe4 6.Bxe4 Re6 7.Bxh7+ Kxg7 8.c5
a3 9.Bh6+ Rxh6 10.Rxa1 Rxh7 11.c4 Nd7 12.Qf5 Kh8 13.Re1 Nb6
4. +- (3.62): 2...Nc6 3.Be2

(,  26.08.2005)

After d5 cxd5
New game,
rnb1r1k1/1p3pPp/8/1P1Pp3/p7/2P3N1/2Q2PPP/q1B1KB1R b K - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 9 UCI:

1. +- (2.53): 3...a3
2. +- (2.82): 3...Bg4 4.h3 Bd7 5.Nh5 Bf5 6.Nf6+ Kxg7 7.Nxe8+ Kf8 8.Qd2 Kxe8
9.Be2 Nd7 10.0-0 Rc8 11.Bb2 Qa2 12.c4 Qb3
3. +- (3.37): 3...Re7 4.Bd3 e4 5.Nxe4 Bf5 6.0-0 Nd7 7.Bf4 Qxf1+ 8.Kxf1 a3 9.Qa2
Bxe4 10.Bxe4 Rxe4 11.Bd6 Kxg7 12.f3 Re3 13.c4 b6 14.Kf2
4. +- (3.38): 3...e4 4.Bc4 Nd7 5.0-0 a3 6.Nxe4 Rxe4 7.Qxe4 Qxc3 8.Bh6 Qe5 9.Qxe5
Nxe5 10.Re1 Bg4 11.Rxe5 a2 12.Bxa2 Rxa2

(,  26.08.2005)

Uri








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