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Subject: Re: Fritz 9 engine

Author: Shaley

Date: 03:02:02 08/26/05

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On August 26, 2005 at 05:18:30, Uri Blass wrote:

>On August 26, 2005 at 05:08:11, Shaley wrote:
>
>>On August 26, 2005 at 04:53:58, Joachim Rang wrote:
>>
>>>On August 26, 2005 at 04:44:33, Shaley wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 26, 2005 at 04:22:01, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>From CSS Online:
>>>>>
>>>>>"Neue wissensbasierte und extrem spielstarke Schach-Engine: Fritz9". Hmm does
>>>>>this mean: loses to Fruit, but it's strong against humans?!
>>>>>
>>>>>Jouni
>>>>Hi Jouni,
>>>>
>>>>Looks like a lot of people over here are crazy about Fruit even w/o trying it
>>>>over other engines. Lol! Someone used to post, it seems, that an 11 games'
>>>>tourney cannot be a proof of the programme's strengths or weaknesses. Long-term
>>>>testing should be done. No-one really knows how strong the new Fritz version
>>>>really is. As is said, "let's wait and see", right? Friedel used to tell me the
>>>>new engine is simply packed with chess knowledge. It is only some while after
>>>>when we get a chance of feeling it that we can see what he can do in reality
>>>>with Fruit, Zappa and other silicon monsters. I remember Frans Morsch said in an
>>>>interview that from now on they would be working to make this engine play sound
>>>>chess; not good chess from the point of view of beating machines or sound chess
>>>>for beating humans. They will try to make Fritz play universally sound chess; it
>>>>may compete very successfully against the machines as a result, he said. But
>>>>their ambition is to make an engine that will play very good chess in general
>>>>terms.
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Alexander
>>>
>>>
>>>than they should have not started to implement imperfect human knowledge about
>>>chess into the engine. As a result they get an engine which plays for weak
>>>humans sound chess but not from an objective point of view.
>>>
>>>regards Joachim
>>
>>Well, don't you come to think you're using too strong a language about Fritz?
>>You can't call it bad, it's really sound. As to chess which you call imperfect,
>>I can tell you the chess of Anand, for instance, is sound enough. Same as chess
>>played by top CC players. Machines have no chance in a correspondence game, and
>>this is really the top chess to be produced.
>
>I do not think that they have no chance in a correspondence game.
>GM nickel beated hydra but lost against other chess engines in a correspondence
>game.
>
>Uri
May be he used too open a strategy against them?  Also, I do respect GM Nickel a
lot but, I can assure you, he's not A1 in CC.



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