Author: Andrew Walker
Date: 22:57:34 08/31/05
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On August 31, 2005 at 16:45:06, Derek Paquette wrote: >On August 31, 2005 at 15:41:34, Ray Banks wrote: > >>On August 31, 2005 at 15:32:58, Ray Banks wrote: >> >>>Seems with the exception of the new Zappa which isn't yet available, you've >>>already tested against the strongest engines ? So perhaps Toga will remain >>>completely unbeaten >> >>Perhaps Fritz 9 will be able to do the job ? >>Hiarcs 10 perhaps too when released > >I honestly don't see it. > >Hiarcs would have to add another 100+ elo too its strength, and judging from the >current trend of deep searching engines (shredder zappa toga junior) which are >ontop of the world right now, hiarcs who doesn't manage to search past depth 12 >in a 2 hour game is not going to do it in my opinion, Don't forget Hiarcs9 at depth 12 is a lot different from Shredder9 at depth 12 and probably most other engines. I'm not aware of anyone doing any tests but Shredder would probably need at least 2 or 3 plies more to be equal strength. This is assuming ponder is off. Hiarcs gains through its eval and more extensions, presumably. >I honestly don't think superior knowledge is the way of the game anymore, it >seems that search depth and spectacular pruning is doing it for programmers. As >for fritz 9, they are also behind the times, their track record is horrible, >fritz 7 to deep fritz 7 to fritz 8 to deep fritz 8, very small elo gains, Small elo gains, but maybe analysis or endgame play or other factors are much better? Some of these things would be much better tested than 5 elo point improvements! Also unfortuneately when new engines come out the description of improvements is normally very vague. So we don't know what bugs have been fixed and what knowledge has been improved/added. We also don't know if they are much better at long time control games, such as 10 minutes + per move. >my bet if I were to make one is that hiarcs and fritz won't even have enough >mustard to beat Shredder 9. We'll see :-) This is what makes comp chess exciting! Andrew
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