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Subject: Re: Ratings chessprogrammers in Netherlands

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 17:06:12 02/26/99

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On February 26, 1999 at 10:12:35, blass uri wrote:

>
>On February 26, 1999 at 08:44:12, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On February 26, 1999 at 01:35:04, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>
>>>>Posted by Vincent Diepeveen on February 25, 1999 at 21:10:49:
>>
>>>>>I always use the default auto232 setting "/m100". In your case (using /m60)
>>>>>the error rate is of course very high as there will be many games terminated
>>>>>with scores like +1.xx or -2.xx. And then what? It's not always clear to judge
>>>>>such games. Better use "/m100" IMO as it pays off in the end.
>>
>>>>Easy to judge for me. don't forget i have over 1000 rating points more
>>>>than you. So /m60 is well enough.
>>
>>>That's a non valid point in the first place. Terminating games after 60 moves
>>>having a score like -1.xx in comp-comp is meaningless as anything still can
>>>happen.
>>
>>>Secondly, I did not know your rating was over 3200.
>>
>>As competition leader i have the bad habit to be busy a lot with
>>ratings and such:
>
>1)I looked at computer-computer games and sometimes computers do stupid mistakes
>in endgames so you cannot be sure about the result between computers when the
>evaluation is +1.xx or -2.xx

we're not talking about +1.xx here, that's a joke from Ed.

In rebel a pawn is something like 0.70, so 5.0 is 5 / 0.7 is like 7 pawns.

Now most positions that i adjudicated as a win were something like
KRPP versus KBP

Without EGTB you sure don't keep that a draw. And that sure is not +5.0
in Rebel, as that's less than 7 pawns down.

>2)You cannot know the real rating of someone who is not in the list.

But from Ed i know that it's not near 1400, Frans morsch perhaps 1500,
and Johan may be happy with with 1200.

>It is possible that Ed Schröder could have 2200 elo rating and is not playing in
>tournaments.

For ed that's 0% chance

>I think that it is possible to improve to 2200 elo level only by reading books
>and playing against programs

For smart kids yeah, not for a 40 or 50 year old that never plays his program.

Note that i hardly play DIEP too. I only test positions/games at it,
but that doesn't improve my chessplay. In contradiction,
WORKING at a chessprogram makes you play worse, as you get lazy and start
believing its output.

>Uri



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