Author: Peter McKenzie
Date: 19:09:32 02/26/99
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On February 26, 1999 at 13:16:01, Christophe Theron wrote: >On February 26, 1999 at 08:44:12, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On February 26, 1999 at 01:35:04, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>>Posted by Vincent Diepeveen on February 25, 1999 at 21:10:49: >> >>>>>I always use the default auto232 setting "/m100". In your case (using /m60) >>>>>the error rate is of course very high as there will be many games terminated >>>>>with scores like +1.xx or -2.xx. And then what? It's not always clear to judge >>>>>such games. Better use "/m100" IMO as it pays off in the end. >> >>>>Easy to judge for me. don't forget i have over 1000 rating points more >>>>than you. So /m60 is well enough. >> >>>That's a non valid point in the first place. Terminating games after 60 moves >>>having a score like -1.xx in comp-comp is meaningless as anything still can >>>happen. >> >>>Secondly, I did not know your rating was over 3200. >> >>As competition leader i have the bad habit to be busy a lot with >>ratings and such: >> >>Dutch national list. Everyone that plays national competition, yes >>even someone playing regional competition nowadays is in the national >>rating list. Also people that play tournaments are in the list anyway. >>Further a rating doesn't get away. Someone being a member of the >>dutch computer chess club, also is automatically member of the >>dutch national chess association, and if he plays somewhere he has >>a rating therefore. >> >>Here the programmers i could find: >> >>Walter Ravenek (arthur) 1997 >>Bart Weststrate (kallisto) 1863 >>Frans Morsch (quest) - >>Ed Schroder (rebel) - (ed is not at the list for sure) >>Vincent Diepeveen (diep) 2234 >>Johan de Koning (the king) - >>Marcel v. Kervinck (rookie) - >>Alex v Tiggelen (alexs) 1335 >>Joos Buijs (nightmare now alexs) 1932 >>Peter Kouwenhoven (dappet) - >>Gijsbert Wiesenekker (zzzzzz) 1961 (has also contributed to crafty) >>Tom Vijlbrief (ant) - (can lucky make moves on the board now, >> after seeing his program print out the >> move) >>Aske Plaat (cilk) - >>bugchess team members ???? >>jan louwman (operates nimzo) - >>Fre Felkers (delta) - >>morphy programmer ???? > > >It is clear to me since several years that being a good chess player is a >serious handicap for anybody trying to write a top level chess program. > >Every rule has its exceptions, so I guess you can find some. But can you list >strong chess players that wrote good chess programs? I'm not even sure Larry >Kaufman can be included in the list, because he does not program. Interesting theory, of course Hans Berliner is the obvious exception to it. I believe Chris Whittington may have been a strong chess player also. Speaking for myself, I have had a FIDE rating of over 2300 and my program LambChop is not so bad. It is not one of the top programs, but these things take time and it has 'only' been developed since 1992/3. Hmm, that was about the time I stopped playing tournament chess - maybe you are on to something after all! Certainly playing serious tournament chess and developing a chess program are both *very* time consuming activities and hard to do at the same time. As a chess player, there is also a tendancy to try a more knowledge based approach to writing a chess program when sometimes simpler techniques are more effective or at least easier to get going. > > > Christophe > > > >>>Anyway it was a pleasure to talk with you again. >> >>>Ed
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