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Subject: Re: For what targets we can hope for free programs with source code

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 16:55:35 09/01/05

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On September 01, 2005 at 09:40:50, Uri Blass wrote:

>We have a lot of free chess programs with source code and the question that I
>ask myself is if people need to pay money for programmers or they may hope to
>get a program that do the task without money and save money.
>
>A good  example is rating.

There are free open source rating programs.

Remi Coulom's version:
http://remi.coulom.free.fr/Bayesian-Elo/

The Glicko system used by FICS:
http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~chess/gicshelp/node177.html
has source available here:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/chessd
There is the USCF formula, which I have made a public domain version here:
http://cap.connx.com/tournament_software/USCF.C

>The program that the israeli chess organization is using have a lot of
>disadvantages.
>
>1)There is no option to calculate rating dynamically.

See above.

>It means that it is impossible to add tournaments later and ask the program to
>calculate the rating for previous update retroactively or to exclude tournaments
>that were calculated without a lot of work.
>
>
>2)All the data is in one computer and it is impossible to work about everything
>from home.

Can you put it on the network and get some sort of web access?

>3)It is impossible to edit results of the israeli league and if there is a
>mistake people need to delete everything and write it again.

A web interface could be used for this also.

>4)There is no option of digital copying of tournament even if it is sent in the
>right format.
>For example it is better if the program can read cross table and enter it to the
>rating automatically

Can you elaborate on this?  I am not sure that I understand.

>The claim of people is that all of this is going to cost a lot of money but can
>save hours of work later and unfortunately the israeli chess organization does
>not like to spend money on better rating system.
>
>I am not sure about the first part and I think that writing a strong program
>like fruit2.1 is an harder task than all the tasks that are described but the
>programmer do not ask money for it.
>
>My question is if you think that there is an hope that the israeli chess
>organization can get a free program to do all the tasks without paying money in
>case that the organization does the right steps to explain programmers exactly
>what they need to do.

There are some programs here that might be helpful:
http://cap.connx.com/tournament_software/

As you have probably noticed, my help on projects is spotty, because I run from
project to project that looks interesting to me but I can perhaps be of some
assistance from time to time.



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