Author: Derek Paquette
Date: 18:23:38 09/01/05
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On September 01, 2005 at 19:08:02, George Speight wrote: >No doubt the main concern of those on this forum when a new version of an engine >comes out is how it will do against the other engines out there. Which brings up >an interesting question i dont have the knowledge to even make a guess at. I >know this guy who is a tech rep at chessbase. He told me he consulted with the >programmers of Fritz 9, and they told him this version was designed specifically >to beat human grandmasters. They did not say, but i got the impression they were >not interested one way or the other about how it did against other engines. Is >it possible to create or program the engine in such a way that by being so much >better ag. humans that it might suffer ag. other engines, or does the increase >in strength ag. humans and the increase in strength ag. other chess engines >generally go hand in hand. Its just that my main concern is how it will do ag. >other engines, and i was left with the impression they didnt care. Will >appreciate any thoughts- you guys know a lot more about this stuff than I. >Regards, George I think its hyperboil to me. I'll explain why I feel this way. In my opinion, aswell as observed results there doesn't seem to be a pattern of any program that I know off that is great against humans and bad against programs. HiarcsX played Bareev and drawed every game. Back then, hiarcs9 was a force to reckon with, and it did ok in that match. It is now outdated. Man vs Machine ended remarkably well for the machines, infact I would say the GM's were embarased. The programs that played, fritz, junior, hydra are all high level SSDF, and they call came out of the tournament over .500 Shredder 8 and even 7.04, it was once thought by some...that shredder was not a good program to play vs humans. However there was no evidence for this, perhaps in Argentina it didn't do "as good" as some had thought, but it won the tournament outright. In my opinion, finding the best moves is finding the best moves is finding the best moves. Programs routinely beat humans because the human makes a mistake and the computer capitalizes, you don't need a special program or tweeked program vs humans to do that, I'd put a lot of money on Toga II 1.0 beating Anand, Kramnik, Kasparov in a 10 game match, but a program rated 200 elo below it? I doubt it.
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