Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 12:54:54 09/03/05
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On September 03, 2005 at 15:26:47, Uri Blass wrote:
>On September 03, 2005 at 14:08:58, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>On September 03, 2005 at 13:33:26, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>
>>>On September 03, 2005 at 12:37:31, Dieter Buerssner wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 03, 2005 at 10:03:24, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Last Position:
>>>>>
>>>>>[D]8/8/5p2/5B2/5b1p/6k1/7p/7K w - - 0 1
>>>>>
>>>>>You see:
>>>>>Fewer knowledge brings more points!!!
>>>>
>>>>I don't understand your comment about fewer knowledge.
>>>>
>>>>I was convinced, Yace would show 0.0 immediately in this position. But it
>>>>didn't. It turned out, that I had a wrong comment in the source, and the
>>>>detection of this type of draws would only work for the single rook pawn, but
>>>>not for doubled or tripled rook pawn. After few keystrokes in the source, I get:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 169 0.000 0.00 1t 1.Be6 {-240}
>>>> 179 0.000 0.00 1. 1.Be6 {-240}
>>>> 195 0.000 0.00 2t 1.Be6 h3 {-240}
>>>> 225 0.000 0.00 2. 1.Be6 h3 {-240}
>>>> 278 0.000 0.00 3t 1.Be6 h3 2.Bf7 {-240}
>>>> 308 0.000 0.00 3. 1.Be6 h3 2.Bf7 {-240}
>>>> 399 0.000 0.00 4t 1.Be6 h3 2.Bf7 Be5 {-240}
>>>> 516 0.000 0.00 4. 1.Be6 h3 2.Bf7 Be5 {-240}
>>>>
>>>>and so on ...
>>>>
>>>>One bug less :-)
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Dieter
>>>
>>>Hallo Dieter,
>>>
>>>Wenn sich Programme mit +3 vorne sehen, so werden sie nie ein Remisangebot
>>>annehmen oder auch anbieten (es sei denn ein Schiedsrichter als Mensch macht
>>>das). Auf Playchess kann man zB. einstellen dass bei 0.00 ein Remis angeboten
>>>oder angenommen wird. Durch die hohe Bewertung aber, hat Shredder lange Zeit nur
>>>herumgeschoben (also ohne richtige Gewinnabsicht), und hat dadurch nach Zeit
>>>gewonnen. Daher ist es sinnvoller hier (trotz Remis) etwas Plus zu geben, weil
>>>dadurch mehr gepunktet wird (wenn man eine sehr schnelle Hardware hat!).
>>>
>>>Viele machen das so auf playchess (ich habe es zu spüren bekommen) weil sie
>>>"sehr schnelle" Hardware haben, ja, und so gewinnen sie so auch Remisstellungen
>>>mit realen 0.00 noch nach Zeit. Das finde ich unsportlich.
>>
>>
>>Dieter,
>>I'm astonished that you didn't get what Eduard meant to say. It was crystal
>>clear. In my eyes Eduard proved that chess programs are better than humans
>>because they are more stupid than humans.
>
>No
>
>I think that he meant to say that knowledge is not important when you can win
>the game on time and in the example the black side won the game on time.
>
>
> Einstein would have enjoyed that in
>>chess. BTW I knew it already. For years now programmers are trying to get rid of
>>all the unneccessary knowledge and they are relying on hardware speed alone.
>
>I do not think that it is the case and fruit got significant progress from
>Fruit1.0 to Fruit2.1 mainly by improving it's evaluation.
>
>Uri
And by that improvement the engine was wrong on the fact of a drawn position?
Too bad that improvement IMO. ;)
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