Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 13:37:45 09/03/05
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On September 03, 2005 at 16:19:29, Graham Banks wrote: >On September 03, 2005 at 16:06:07, Darrel Briley wrote: > >>On September 03, 2005 at 15:53:08, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >> >>>that is quite right, but Eduard is NOT called for to give a scientifically >>>balanced presentation of Zappa. Please try to understand what Ed is doing. He >>>shows facts that contradict the general trend. Remember (or read it in the >>>archives how Ed showed crazy weaknesses of for example FRITZ who's always said >>>to be state of the art - and Ed proved that this couldn't be the case if --- >>>well, see the examples for yourself) what Eduard is doing: to prove a generally >>>accepted truth as wrong you don't need a deep study but it is sufficient if you >>>give just some contradicting examples - here that Zappa can also lose games. >>>This isn't directly contradicting the results of the last WCCC because the games >>>on playchess have a different setting in many aspects than that of the WCCCC. >>>But at least the losses contradict the here published "truths" that Zappa >>>doesn't lose. - Fact is it DOES. And thanks to Eduard we all know it right now. >>>(What is wrong with what Eduard is doing in your opinion?) >>> >>>Rolf >> >>Rolf, >> >>I see nothing wrong with what Eduard is doing. It just has little meaning for >>me because it is incomplete information. >> >>I don't think any reasonable person was under the impression that Zappa is >>"unbeatable". If Ed's aim is to disprove a thing that has never been proven or >>even generally accepted, or to convince the "unreasonable", then I think it's a >>very good way for him to waste his time. >> >>Now, if he wanted to show Zappa's weaknesses, as well as its strengths, then >>posting all the games would be the way to do this. >> >>Posting only losses makes it seem as if he has an axe to grind. >> >> DB > > >Maybe somebody should look up and post all the games of chess Eduard has ever >lost. That way we could see what a great player he is! Excuse me if I insist. You are both wrong in your insinuations against Eduard. 1. First of all even if Eduard would post such losses of Zappa just for the fun of it it would be allowed posting of naked facts! If someone wanted to see the wins of Zappa than it's his duty to go for himself and see. But I am pretty sure that Eduard is NOT doing this to make angry the author of Zappa. 2. Someone does post factual losses. Where is the burden on him to post ALL games, among them also the wins of Zappa?? In my mind we are a group and if someone is posting losses, others are invited and FREE to post wins. Go for it if you like. But it's not allowed to insult Eduard for having mean motivations if he's posting losses of an engine he has observed with his own eyes! 3. It is heavily wrong to aim now at Eduard and HIS chess if Eduard is posting about a chessprogram. Ad hominem is forbidden in such a forum, period. Do you want to imply that if Eduard is NOT strong enough, say, no World Champion himself, then he's not allowed to post losses of a veritable World Champion?? That would be a completely wrong logic. 4. The main scandal of the actual events is this: it seems as if the author of a winning WCCC program is allowed to accuse a poster of naked facts in unallowed ad hominem manner. I will go, he says, if such a poster is posting losses of my baby. I am angry and deeply insulted. - This is a failure of personal judgement. And also a winner at a WCCC doesn't get a superior insight in motivations of all other posters. 5. People should apologize to Eduard. He hasn't done something wrong.
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