Author: Andreas Guettinger
Date: 14:33:09 09/03/05
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On September 03, 2005 at 17:23:07, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On September 03, 2005 at 17:13:25, Andreas Guettinger wrote: > >>On September 03, 2005 at 16:37:45, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >> >>> >>>Excuse me if I insist. You are both wrong in your insinuations against Eduard. >>> >>>1. First of all even if Eduard would post such losses of Zappa just for the fun >>>of it it would be allowed posting of naked facts! If someone wanted to see the >>>wins of Zappa than it's his duty to go for himself and see. But I am pretty sure >>>that Eduard is NOT doing this to make angry the author of Zappa. >>> >>>2. Someone does post factual losses. Where is the burden on him to post ALL >>>games, among them also the wins of Zappa?? In my mind we are a group and if >>>someone is posting losses, others are invited and FREE to post wins. Go for it >>>if you like. But it's not allowed to insult Eduard for having mean motivations >>>if he's posting losses of an engine he has observed with his own eyes! >>> >>>3. It is heavily wrong to aim now at Eduard and HIS chess if Eduard is posting >>>about a chessprogram. Ad hominem is forbidden in such a forum, period. Do you >>>want to imply that if Eduard is NOT strong enough, say, no World Champion >>>himself, then he's not allowed to post losses of a veritable World Champion?? >>>That would be a completely wrong logic. >>> >>>4. The main scandal of the actual events is this: it seems as if the author of a >>>winning WCCC program is allowed to accuse a poster of naked facts in unallowed >>>ad hominem manner. I will go, he says, if such a poster is posting losses of my >>>baby. I am angry and deeply insulted. - This is a failure of personal judgement. >>>And also a winner at a WCCC doesn't get a superior insight in motivations of all >>>other posters. >>> >>>5. People should apologize to Eduard. He hasn't done something wrong. >> >>It's a good thing to see that Eduard has a lot of friends here. >>Unfortunately that doesn't make a wrong thing right. It was not very nice to >>post so many losses of Zappa, and not mention the wins. This gives a false >>impression about Zappa. I don't comment if this was intended or not, but a lot >>of readers had this impression. Zappa is going to be sold in future, and this >>can have a bad influence on Anthonies business. If a new product is announced >>and somebody tries to decry it he can not expect the seller will like him for >>that. Now if you do that with a product that is sold for years and everybody >>knows, now that is sth else. >>I think Eduard should apologize to Anthony. >> >>bye >>Andy > >No, sorry, Andy. > >CCC is mainly a forum dedicated to science and the truth. You would be well >advised if you wouldn't post such things as the above, namely that the writing >about factual lossed of a certain Zappa version could hurt the business >interests of Anthony. If we begin to accept such ideosyncrasies we end in >madness and witchhunting of the Middle Ages. We shouldn't go such low. Also I >dont see why a commercial program shouldn't lose games against other programs. >Let's forget about such a hybris. All progs are losing games. > >Best, Rolf Well, we will never agree here. I doubt we even understand each other. Let's put it to rest. Nobody says anything about posting factual losses. Posting 10% lost games and not mentioning 90% of won games is what makes the people angry. best wishes, andy
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