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Subject: Re: Test your engines!

Author: Bahram Namjou

Date: 10:42:59 09/04/05

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Thanks Jm..But if you look at the scoring, only chess tiger gave -6.0 in 3
seconds, no matter it is Qg2+, or Of7+, or Qf5+... Newer engine don't see  this
-6.0 scoring at the start...which supposedly are more sophisticated...




On September 04, 2005 at 13:31:39, John Merlino wrote:

>On September 04, 2005 at 13:04:53, Bahram Namjou wrote:
>
>>In this position, it is interesting to note that only chess tiger14 understand
>>white is going to mate very soon. This engine saw this in less than 3 seconds!!!
>>Newer engines such as shredder, toga, fruit, hiarcs, crafty all were not able to
>>see it is coming even after 5 minutes...I like to know the reason for this if
>>someone knows...
>>and how about other engines!...
>>
>>[D]8/8/8/3k2K1/2q3PP/8/p7/5Q2 w - - 0 90
>>
>>Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0:
>>
>>-+  (-6.69) 90.Qf5+ Kd4 91.Qf6+ Kd3 92.Kh5 Qb5+ 93.g5 Qb1 94.Qd6+ Kc2 95.Qc6+
>>Kd2 96.Qd5+ Ke2 97.Qe6+ Kf2 98.Qf6+ Kg3   00:02:54
>
>I'm not sure you're reading that correctly. Different engines report scores in
>different ways, but I'm pretty sure that in this situation (White to move), if
>the score is negative, then BLACK is winning.
>
>Here is what CM9_R1 says on a P4-2.4:
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	1/3	0.47	2832		90.Qa1 Kd6 91.Qf6+ Qe6
>0:00	1/3	0.53	5265		90.Qf7+ Kd4 91.Qf6+ Kd5 92.Qa1 Qa6
>0:00	1/4	0.43	11304		90.Qf7+ Kd4 91.Qf6+ Ke4 92.Qf5+
>					Kd4 93.Qf4+ Kc3 94.Qe5+ Qd4
>0:00	1/5	0.26	37702		90.Qf7+ Kc5 91.Qf8+ Kb5 92.Qb8+
>					Kc5 93.Qa7+ Kd6 94.Qb6+ Kd7 95.Qf6
>0:00	1/6	0.00	116278		90.Qf7+ Kc5 91.Qf8+ Kd5 92.Qf5+
>					Kd6 93.Qf8+ Kd5
>0:01	1/7	0.00	342311		90.Qf7+ Kc5 91.Qf2+ Kb4 92.Qb2+
>					Kc5 93.h5 Qd5+ 94.Kh6 Qe6+ 95.Kg5
>					Qd5+
>0:03	1/8	0.00	593948		90.Qf7+ Kc5 91.Qf2+ Kb4 92.Qb2+
>					Kc5 93.Qf2+
>0:08	1/9	-0.29	1730750		90.Qf7+ Kd4 91.Qf6+ Ke4 92.Qf5+
>					Ke3 93.Qe5+ Kd3 94.Kh5 Qg8 95.Qf5+
>					Kc3 96.Qf3+ Kd4 97.Qf4+ Kd5 98.Qf5+
>					Kc4
>0:20	2/10	-0.13	4344204		90.Qf7+ Kd4 91.Qf6+ Ke4 92.Qf5+
>					Ke3 93.Qe5+ Kd3 94.Kh5 Qd4 95.Qb5+
>					Kc3 96.Qc6+ Kb2 97.Qb7+ Kc2 98.Qh7+
>					Kc3
>0:36	3/11	-0.13	7791764		90.Qf7+ Kd4 91.Qf6+ Ke3 92.Qe5+
>					Kd3 93.Kh5 Qf7+ 94.Kg5 Qg8+ 95.Kh6
>					Qxg4 96.Qd5+ Kc3 97.Qxa2 Qxh4+
>					98.Kg6 Qe4+ 99.Kg7 Qf4
>1:20	4/12	-0.09	18200832	90.Qf7+ Kd4 91.Qf6+ Ke3 92.Qe5+
>					Kd3 93.Kh5 Qf7+ 94.Kg5 Qg8+ 95.Kh6
>					Qxg4 96.Qd5+ Kc3 97.Qxa2 Qxh4+
>					98.Kg6 Qe4+ 99.Kf6 Qf4+ 100.Ke6 Kd4
>3:01	5/13	-0.55	43010601	90.Qf7+ Kc5 91.Qf2+ Kb5 92.Qb2+
>					Ka6 93.Qf6+ Ka5 94.Qa1 Qb5+ 95.Kf4
>					Qb1 96.Qe5+ Ka4 97.Qe8+ Qb5 98.Qa8+
>					Kb3 99.Qf3+ Kb4 100.Qd1 Qb8+ 101.Kf5
>					Qf8+ 102.Ke4
>
>jm



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