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Subject: Re: Is chess knowledge always meaningful? (German)

Author: Dieter Buerssner

Date: 11:25:02 09/04/05

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On September 03, 2005 at 13:33:26, Eduard Nemeth wrote:

>Wenn sich Programme mit +3 vorne sehen, so werden sie nie ein Remisangebot
>annehmen oder auch anbieten (es sei denn ein Schiedsrichter als Mensch macht
>das). Auf Playchess kann man zB. einstellen dass bei 0.00 ein Remis angeboten
>oder angenommen wird. Durch die hohe Bewertung aber, hat Shredder lange Zeit nur
>herumgeschoben (also ohne richtige Gewinnabsicht), und hat dadurch nach Zeit
>gewonnen. Daher ist es sinnvoller hier (trotz Remis) etwas Plus zu geben, weil
>dadurch mehr gepunktet wird (wenn man eine sehr schnelle Hardware hat!).

Ok. Ich dachte an was anderes - ich dachte mit genügend Wissen hätte Schwarz
souverän gewonnen und wäre nicht in die Remis-Falle getappt. Nachdem ich mir die
Stellung nun ansah, vermute ich, dass es aber schon vorhin Remis war. Dennoch,
Yace konnte mit Schwarz gegen Shredder PB mit etwas Glück gewinnen.

I had mentioned, that I didn't understood Eduard's "less knowledge is better" in
this context. I had misunderstood it a bit. I thought, with more knowledge,
black would have avoided the draw trap beforehand. But it seems, the position
was already draw before. Anyway, Yace could win against Shredder PB from the
game position just few moves before the draw trap, but I guess, it was lucky.

Regards,
Dieter

Played from the original game after 60. Ra8. White on P4, 2.53 GHz, Black on
Centrino with 1,73 GHz. Black had the faster CPU, white the much faster HD, so
probably effectively the faster computer in this situation with many TB hits.

[Event "40 Minuten/Partie + 10 Sekunden/Zug"]
[Site "Engine Match"]
[Date "2005.09.03"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Shredder Paderborn"]
[Black "Yace via ssh"]
[ECO "B80"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. e4 {0} c5 {0} 2. Nf3 {0} d6 {0} 3. d4 {0} cxd4 {0}
4. Nxd4 {0} Nf6 {0} 5. Nc3 {0} a6 {0} 6. Be3 {0} e6 {0}
7. f3 {0} Nc6 {0} 8. Qd2 {0} Be7 {0} 9. g4 {0} O-O {0}
10. O-O-O {0} Nxd4 {0} 11. Bxd4 {0} b5 {0} 12. Kb1 {0} Nd7
{0} 13. h4 {0} Qc7 {0} 14. g5 {26} Rb8 {0} 15. h5 {17} b4
{0} 16. Ne2 {0} Ne5 {0.14/16 53} 17. f4 {1} Nf3 {0.15/15
32} 18. Qe3 {15} Nxd4 {0.24/15 24} 19. Nxd4 {1} e5 {0.43/15
23} 20. Nf5 {17} Bxf5 {0.64/14 15} 21. exf5 {25} Qc5
{1.52/15 72} 22. Qe4 {35} d5 {2.01/16 10} 23. Rxd5 {10}
Rbd8 {2.00/14 1} 24. Rxd8 {9} Rxd8 {1.90/16 0} 25. Bd3 {27}
Rd4 {1.80/17 0} 26. Qa8+ {16} Rd8 {1.67/15 13} 27. Qg2 {0}
Qd5 {1.58/15 8} 28. Qxd5 {1} Rxd5 {1.71/14 1} 29. Re1 {17}
Kf8 {1.70/19 0} 30. fxe5 {33} Bxg5 {1.14/17 9} 31. Re4 {2}
Be7 {0.80/16 7} 32. a4 {8} bxa3 {0.78/18 11} 33. bxa3 {4}
Bxa3 {0.70/18 4} 34. Bc4 {10} Ra5 {0.03/16 5} 35. h6 {8}
gxh6 {0.02/17 12} 36. Re3 {0} Bc5 {-0.38/17 9} 37. Rd3 {14}
Ra4 {-0.43/18 0} 38. Bb3 {13} Rd4 {-0.45/18 2} 39. Rf3 {9}
a5 {-0.47/16 10} 40. c3 {18} Re4 {-0.52/17 10} 41. e6 {1}
a4 {-0.58/17 6} 42. Bd5 {1} Re5 {-0.60/17 8} 43. Bc4 {3 }
f6 {-0.65/17 5} 44. Rd3 {11} Be7 {-0.54/16 7} 45. Rd7 {1}
Rxf5 {-0.70/18 7} 46. Ra7 {1} Rf4 {-0.76/17 4} 47. Bb5 {10}
Re4 {-1.10/17 7} 48. Bxa4 {1} Rxe6 {-1.47/17 7} 49. Bb3 {4}
Re1+ {-1.49/17 3} 50. Kc2 {5} Kg7 {-1.51/17 1} 51. Kd2 {8}
Re5 {-1.92/14 2} 52. Bc2 {13} h5 {-2.24/16 8} 53. c4 {7} h4
{-2.55/16 12} 54. c5 {0} h3 {-2.81/14 6} 55. Bd1 {49} Kf7
{-3.15/17 0} 56. Ra3 {13} Rd5+ {-3.19/17 0} 57. Ke2 {3} Rh5
{-3.74/15 8} 58. Kf1 {0} Rh6 {-3.68/15 4} 59. Bb3+ {7} Kg7
{-3.78/16 0} 60. Ra8 {6} Rh4 {+2.83/15 3:26m} 61. Ra4
{-2.28/15 1:24m} Rh5 {+2.85/15 33s} 62. Kg1 {-2.33/15
1:08m} Bxc5+ {+2.84/14 1:12m} 63. Kh1 {-2.40/15 1:56m} Re5
{+2.65/15 2s (Kg6)} 64. Rg4+ {-2.03/16 2:37m} Kf8 {+2.62/15
0s (Kh6)} 65. Rg8+ {-1.85/16 1:58m} Ke7 {+2.62/16 0s}
66. Rg7+ {-1.85/16 2:37m} Kd8 {+2.63/16 0s} 67. Ba4
{-1.80/16 2:27m} Be7 {+2.63/15 0s (Te3)} 68. Kh2 {-2.02/14
1:18m (Tg8+)} Re3 {+2.71/15 1:33m} 69. Rxh7 {-2.02/16
3:40m} Bd6+ {+2.73/15 0s} 70. Kg1 {-1.81/12 9s} h2+
{+2.73/15 1:28m} 71. Kf2 {-2.00/15 0s} Rc3 {+2.74/15 1:33m}
72. Bd1 {-2.05/15 6s} Rc7 {+2.78/14 1:24m (Lg3+)} 73. Rh5
{-2.13/14 2:04m} f5 {+2.73/14 0s (Lf4)} 74. Bf3 {-1.92/13
1:09m} Rc2+ {+2.72/13 7s} 75. Ke3 {-1.91/13 33s} Ke7
{+2.72/13 56s (Tc3+)} 76. Rh7+ {-1.95/13 55s (Lh1)} Kf6
{+2.75/14 1:27m (Kf8)} 77. Rh6+ {-2.15/14 1:14m} Ke5
{+2.74/14 8s} 78. Be2 {-1.90/14 1:27m} Kd5 {+2.74/13 0s}
79. Bf3+ {-2.13/14 55s} Kc5 {+2.72/13 28s} 80. Rh5
{-1.88/14 52s} Kb4 {+2.72/13 32s (Tc3+)} 81. Rh4+ {-1.95/12
1:20m (Lh1)} Kc3 {+2.72/13 1:22m (Kb5)} 82. Rh5 {-1.95/13
43s} Kb2 {+2.73/12 7s (Kc4)} 83. Rh6 {-1.91/12 48s (Lh1)}
Rc3+ {+2.77/12 1:08m} 84. Ke2 {-1.94/14 0s} Bg3 {+2.76/13
1:16m (Lc7)} 85. Rb6+ {-1.91/11 11s} Ka3 {+2.77/13 1:02m}
86. Ra6+ {-2.12/13 7s} Kb4 {+2.78/14 1:04m} 87. Rb6+
{-2.11/14 2s} Ka4 {+2.77/15 1:08m} 88. Rb1 {-2.14/14 1s} f4
{+2.77/14 1:02m} 89. Bd5 {-2.24/15 1s} Ka5 {+2.78/13 42s
(Te3+)} 90. Kd2 {-2.14/15 42s (Lh1)} Re3 {+2.80/13 44s
(Ta3)} 91. Bc6 {-2.13/13 33s (Lh1)} Bh4 {+2.81/13 42s
(Ta3)} 92. Rf1 {-2.28/13 36s (Tb5+)} Bg5 {+3.01/13 45s
(Ta3)} 93. Bh1 {-2.58/14 43s (Kc2)} f3 {+4.14/15 1:26m}
94. Kc2 {-8.69/16 2:06m} Ka4 {+8.51/14 0s} 95. Kd2
{-9.50/15 1:34m (Kb2)} Kb3 {+12.90/14 57s} 0-1



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