Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 12:48:42 09/04/05
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On September 04, 2005 at 04:05:09, Uri Blass wrote: >On September 04, 2005 at 03:48:28, Marek Soszynski wrote: > >>On September 04, 2005 at 02:54:38, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On September 04, 2005 at 01:46:56, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>> >>>>[D]3k4/1r2p3/r2pPp2/b1pP1Pp1/1pP3Pp/pP5P/P2K4/8 b - - >>>> >>>>Start with this position. If an engine shows >>>>a huge advantage for black, it will never solve >>>>the problem. BTW: this position has nothing to do >>>>with deep calculation, it's a matter of knowledge. >>>>Kurt >>> >>>I dsagree. >>> >>>An engine can show a huge advantage and still solve the problem after enough >>>time because of seeing bigger advantage for black for the alternatives. >>> >>>Uri >> >>Here's an example of just that: >> >>2x PIII 1000 >> >>Analysis by Deep Shredder 9 UCI: >> >>1.Bxa5 >> -+ (-7.97) Depth: 1/6 00:00:00 >>1.Bxa5 >> -+ (-8.65) Depth: 1/7 00:00:00 >>1.Bxa5 >> -+ (-8.62) Depth: 1/11 00:00:00 >>1.Be2+ >> -+ (-7.92) Depth: 1/11 00:00:00 >>1.Be2+ c4 >> -+ (-7.86) Depth: 1/11 00:00:00 >>1.Be2+ c4 >> -+ (-8.12) Depth: 2/13 00:00:00 >>1.Be2+ c4 >> -+ (-8.66) Depth: 2/13 00:00:00 >>1.Be2+ c4 >> -+ (-8.66) Depth: 2/19 00:00:00 >>1.c4+ Kxc4 2.Be2+ Kxd4 3.Bxa6 >> -+ (-7.24) Depth: 2/19 00:00:00 >>1.c4+ Kxc4 2.Be2+ Kxd4 3.Bxa6 >> -+ (-7.24) Depth: 2/19 00:00:00 >>1.c4+ Kxc4 2.Be2+ Kxd4 3.Bxa6 >> -+ (-7.24) Depth: 3/19 00:00:00 >>1.c4+ Kxc4 2.Be2+ Kxd4 3.Bxa6 >> -+ (-7.24) Depth: 4/19 00:00:00 >>1.c4+ Kxc4 2.Be2+ Kxd4 3.Bxa6 axb2 4.Kc2 >> -+ (-7.19) Depth: 5/19 00:00:00 >>1.c4+ Kxc4 2.Be2+ Kxd4 3.Bxa6 axb2 4.Kc2 Ra7 >> -+ (-7.16) Depth: 6/19 00:00:00 17kN >>1.c4+ Kxc4 2.Be2+ Kxd4 3.Bxa6 axb2 4.Kc2 Ra7 5.Bxa5 Rxa6 >> -+ (-7.15) Depth: 7/19 00:00:00 47kN >>1.c4+ Kxc4 >> -+ (-7.41) Depth: 8/19 00:00:00 79kN >>1.c4+ Kxc4 2.b3+ Kxd4 3.exf6 e5 4.Bxa5 Rxa5 5.fxg5 Ra8 >> -+ (-7.61) Depth: 8/19 00:00:01 88kN >>1.c4+ Kxc4 >> -+ (-7.36) Depth: 9/19 00:00:01 235kN >>1.c4+ Kxc4 2.b3+ Kxd4 3.exf6 e5 4.Be2 Ra8 5.Bxa5 exf4 6.Bf3 >> -+ (-7.09) Depth: 9/19 00:00:02 256kN >>1.c4+ Kxc4 >> -+ (-7.34) Depth: 10/23 00:00:03 440kN >>1.c4+ Kxc4 2.Be2+ Kxd4 3.Bxa6 axb2 4.Kc2 Ra7 5.exf6 b1Q+ 6.Kxb1 Bxd8 >> -+ (-7.35) Depth: 10/23 00:00:03 469kN >>1.c4+ Kxc4 2.b3+ Kxd4 3.exf6 e5 4.Bxa5 Rxa5 5.fxg5 Rf7 6.g6 >> -+ (-7.26) Depth: 11/23 00:00:04 959kN >>1.exf6 >> -+ (-7.25) Depth: 11/29 00:00:04 1494kN >>1.exf6 >> -+ (-6.90) Depth: 11/29 00:00:04 1617kN >>1.exf6 axb2 >> -+ (-6.90) Depth: 11/33 00:00:05 2026kN >>1.exf6 axb2 2.Kc2 Ra8 3.fxe7 Rxd8 4.exd8Q Bxd8 5.Kxb2 gxf4 6.cxb4 Kxb4 7.Bf3 Ra7 >> -+ (-6.91) Depth: 12/33 00:00:08 3374kN >>1.exf6 axb2 >> -+ (-7.16) Depth: 13/33 00:00:12 5152kN >>1.exf6 axb2 >> -+ (-7.66) Depth: 13/33 00:00:13 5472kN >>1.exf6 axb2 2.Kc2 Bxd8 3.c4+ Kc6 4.Bf3+ d5 5.Bxd5+ Kc7 6.Bxb7 Rxf6 7.Bd5 gxf4 >>8.dxc5 >> -+ (-8.15) Depth: 13/33 00:00:17 7122kN >>1.c4+ >> -+ (-8.14) Depth: 13/33 00:00:17 7193kN >>1.c4+ >> -+ (-7.79) Depth: 13/33 00:00:17 7219kN >>1.c4+ Kxc4 2.b3+ Kxd4 3.exf6 e5 4.Be7 exf4 5.f7 Ra8 6.f8R Rxf8 7.Bxf8 d5 8.Bh6 >> -+ (-7.67) Depth: 13/33 00:00:18 7448kN >>1.c4+ Kxc4 >> -+ (-7.92) Depth: 14/33 00:00:26 10651kN >>1.c4+ Kxc4 2.b3+ Kxd4 3.exf6 Ra8 4.fxe7 Rxd8 5.exd8Q Bxd8 6.f5 d5 7.Be2 Bf6 >>8.Kc2 >> -+ (-8.21) Depth: 14/33 00:00:27 11099kN >>1.c4+ Kxc4 >> -+ (-8.46) Depth: 15/33 00:00:48 19211kN >>1.c4+ Kxc4 2.b3+ Kxd4 3.exf6 Ra8 4.fxe7 Rxd8 5.exd8Q Bxd8 6.fxg5 Bxg5+ 7.Kc2 Re7 >>8.Bf3 d5 9.Bg2 >> -+ (-8.62) Depth: 15/33 00:00:49 19877kN >>1.exf6 >> -+ (-8.61) Depth: 15/34 00:00:58 23635kN >>1.exf6 axb2 2.Kc2 Bxd8 3.c4+ Kc6 4.Bf3+ d5 5.Bxd5+ Kc7 6.Bxb7 Rxf6 7.Bd5 >> -+ (-8.30) Depth: 15/36 00:01:08 27948kN >>1.exf6 axb2 2.Kc2 Bxd8 3.f7 bxc3 4.f8Q >> -+ (-8.54) Depth: 16/37 00:02:00 49801kN >>1.Ba4+ >> -+ (-8.53) Depth: 16/37 00:03:03 75788kN >>1.Ba4+ >> -+ (-8.18) Depth: 16/37 00:03:03 75797kN >>1.Ba4+ Kxa4 2.b3+ Kb5 3.c4+ Kc6 4.d5+ Kd7 5.e6+ Ke8 6.f5 Kxd8 7.Kc2 Rba7 8.Kd2 >>Rc6 >> ³ (-0.31) Depth: 16/37 00:03:06 77495kN >>1.Ba4+ Kxa4 2.b3+ Kb5 3.c4+ Kc6 4.d5+ Kd7 5.e6+ Ke8 6.f5 Kxd8 7.Kc2 Rba7 8.Kd2 >>Rc6 >> ³ (-0.31) Depth: 17/37 00:03:07 77706kN >>1.Ba4+ Kxa4 2.b3+ Kb5 3.c4+ Kc6 4.d5+ Kd7 5.e6+ Ke8 6.f5 Kxd8 7.Kc2 Rba7 8.Kd2 >>Rc6 >> ³ (-0.31) Depth: 18/37 00:03:40 92118kN >>1.Ba4+ Kxa4 2.b3+ Kb5 3.c4+ Kc6 4.d5+ Kd7 5.e6+ Ke8 6.f5 Kxd8 7.Kc2 Rba7 8.Kd2 >>Rc6 >> ³ (-0.31) Depth: 19/37 00:04:13 105626kN >>1.Ba4+ Kxa4 2.b3+ >> ³ (-0.31) Depth: 20/38 00:05:21 133042kN >>1.Ba4+ Kxa4 2.b3+ Kb5 3.c4+ Kc6 4.d5+ Kd7 5.e6+ Ke8 6.f5 Kxd8 7.Kc2 Rba7 8.Kd2 >>Rc6 >> ³ (-0.29) Depth: 21/43 00:07:27 184704kN > >Not a good example > >0.29 pawns is not a huge advantage. > >Uri What are you argueing about? It's a draw, now knowledge is the best way to find it, or wait 20 years. Terry
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