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Subject: Re: Shredder or Fruit?

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 09:28:32 09/09/05

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On September 09, 2005 at 12:25:04, Henrik Dinesen wrote:

>On September 09, 2005 at 09:55:48, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>
>>On September 09, 2005 at 04:06:17, Alex Shalamanov wrote:
>>
>>>I use Shredder 9 Classic to analyse my games. I've also found out that when I
>>>use Fruit 2.1 in parallel with Shredder 9 Sandro Necci (I named it that way
>>>because I used in it the settings Sandro proposed on the forum) under Triple
>>>Brain Analysis both the output and the evaluation are likely more sensible. I
>>>don't know why but SMK made recent Shredder version more aggressive and less
>>>positionally cautious; it leads to interesting but very unstable games. It's
>>>okay for OTB or engine-engine games but in correspondence chess this approach is
>>>very vulnerable.
>>
>>The Columbus' egg setting (renamed by you Shredder 9 Sandro Necchi) is made by
>>me and not by SMK. The aim of the setting was to have a more aggressive
>>Shredder, willing to take more risks to create more complicated games.
>>
>>>Very often Shredder's evaluation is too optimistic. However,
>>>Fruit with its cautious and accurate positional style 'cools Shredder off'.
>>
>>What hardware and levels are you using?
>>My tests do show the opposite:
>>
>>Columbus' egg (+ S10 book) - Fruit 2.1 (+ ASV3.ctg) = 36.5 - 22.5 (59; +27 =19
>>-13) 61.8 TP = +84
>>
>>Fruit 2.1 lost also using Shredder 9 book running in Shredder classic
>>interface...
>>
>>I hoped to get some results also from people here, but the setting "seems lost
>>in the Atlantic Ocean"...:-)
>
>Oh no. While I'm only using a single comp, and rapid TC (so far), I'm testing
>the Columbus Egg _and_ Erwin 1 settings against different engines.
>CE gives an heavy impact (!), but Erwin 1 isn't bad either!
>I will have to compare with S9 default when time comes.

Good!
Thank you

>
>>
>>>If there was a commercially available version of Fruit WCCC, I'd surely buy it
>>>for its good solid and well-grounded positional style. But there's been no
>>>information in favour of it. What do you think is going to be released sooner:
>>>Shredder 10 or Fruit WCCC, if any? It's a pity the developers are so reticent.
>>>Alex
>>
>>Shredder 10 will be quite different as this is only a different setting, while
>>Shredder 10 will be a new program (updated program).
>
>Ehh, ??

I am confident Shredder 10 will be quite stronger...Stefan is working on it...do
not ask me anything...I have not see anything yet...only expectations...

>
>Henrik
>>
Sandro



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