Author: Uri Blass
Date: 04:56:53 09/12/05
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On September 12, 2005 at 07:05:09, Alex Shalamanov wrote: >Uri, > >After having tried different chess engines I've come to the conclusion that F8 >or DF8 will still be stronger than Zappa, Fruit or Shredder, especially on >Pentium machines. Why? Note that nobody have zappa2 so I see no way to compare. I do not know how did you come to conclusion that F8 or DF8 is stronger than Fruit or Shredder. It may be stronger in the positions that you play but I think that the question which program is stronger is dependent on the position. I do not want to help my opponents so I may report later about the tournament that I play today. I will only say that inspite of doing some mistakes I expect to finish with more than 50% For all I know, it's much more comfortable to analyze CC games >with them. This is something different. I dislike shredder because of preprocessing. If you want to build a tree and use the score of the engine to decide about your move then I agree that shredder is a bad choice because it can give a score of 0.5 pawn for white regardless of the depth and after a move of black say advantage for black regardless of depth. I clearly hate to see it. I think that Fruit and Fritz are better than Shredder for this task. First I felt like bying Zappa 2.0 or Fruit WCCC, but now I'd rather >soon released Fritz 9. As I used to note earlier, the WCCC results never counted >much to CC players, at least to me. Why do you think that Fritz is better? >Concerning your allegation about the chess draw death, I would not be that >assured in that respect. The human factor is still very strong in CC. I do not think that you are right. My experience in the past is that there were cases when I won correspondence games simply for the fact that my computer outsearched the opponent computer(now it is going to be harder because the opponents that I play against them are stronger but we are going to see what is going to happen and I think that sometimes the human factor can cause inferior moves). I do not know about the real high level but I believe computers with no help can easily get ICCF rating of more than 2500. the chess >programmes are good but one has to use his guts too. ;)I would recommend you to >read or reread (if you have one) ex-ICCF world champion Grigory Sanakoev's >excellent book titled 'The Third Attempt'. Humans will always be stronger in CC >and the recent match between GM Nickel and Hydra is another proof of it. I see no way how one match can prove something about the future. We also know nothing about the strength of hydra in correspondence games and it is possible that fruit can also beat it in these conditions. Uri
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