Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 05:03:10 09/14/05
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On September 14, 2005 at 07:17:41, ludicrous wrote: >CSTAL II is the one program I can't go without. I couldn't believe - no one >could believe the price of the program CSTAL 2 that I found in a shop last >year. They had like 10 remaining copies of the CSTAL CD, and since they were >not really chess people, they sold each CD for something like 35 cents each. unbelievable. >Even if I could have a pc running on a million gigahertz, I will still install >my CSTAL 2 on it (provided that the Microsoft OS running on it will still allow >me to install old software like this. --- Windows XP with SP 2 won't allow me >to install CSTAL anymore. I have to install CSTAL immediately after >reformatting my pc in order to make it work.) strange. why is it not working ?? i have CSTal running on my XP system, but i do not know if this is SP2. I don't care much about operating systems. >One thing I would like to know --- several years ago, people were amazed at how >good CSTAL fared against other program running, or calculating a lot faster than >it. One could only imagine then how CSTAL would be, running on future machines. >I think we can answer that now. yes. but we did not consider that the others would invent new algorithms too. > It appears to me that CSTAL's increase in >strength relative to speed is not that significant. its very difficult to relate a program from 1998 with todays software. thats 7 years of computerchess development. one would have to REDESIGN Chess System Tal, lets say, push it with new ideas from todays chess programs such as toga or fruit. maybe one should make Chess System Tal an open source project :-))) [Event "AMD 2400+"] [Site "40/120"] [Date "2005.01.04"] [Round "1"] [White "ChessSystemTal2.52"] [Black "Junior9"] [Result "1-0"] 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4 c5 7. Bxe7 Kxe7 8. dxc5 Nxe5 9. Nf3 Nxf3+ 10. Qxf3 Bd7 11. Qf4 Kf8 12. Qd6+ Qe7 13. h5 b6 14. h6 g6 15. Qc7 bxc5 16. Bb5 Bxb5 17. Nxb5 Nd7 18. Rh3 a6 19. Ra3 Nf6 20. Qc6 Rd8 21. Rxa6 Ng4 22. Ra7 Qg5 23. Qxc5+ Kg8 24. Nd4 Rf8 25. Nxe6 Qe5+ 26. Kd2 Qxe6 27. Re1 Qc8 28. Rxf7 Nxh6 29. Rxf8+ Qxf8 30. Qxd5+ Nf7 31. Re4 Qd6 32. Re8+ Kg7 33. Qxd6 Nxd6 34. Rxh8 Kxh8 35. Kd3 Kg7 36. Kd4 h5 37. Kc5 Ne4+ 38. Kd5 Nf6+ 39. Kc6 g5 40. f3 g4 41. fxg4 Nxg4 42. a4 1-0 > Some thought maybe CSTAL >would be even more daring. As for me, before, I wondered if CSTAL ran on >extremely fast hardware, maybe its style would change into something more >fritz-like or computer like. I don't know...does anyone know the effects of >speed to an 'intuitive' program like CSTAL? i do play games from time to time with CSTal on faster hardware. if you want i can post the games...
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