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Subject: Re: testposition for the next generation

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 17:14:58 09/17/05

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On September 17, 2005 at 19:58:02, Uri Blass wrote:

Maybe there is some bug with fruit and it seems that fruit with no null move
pruning and no history pruning prunes something and here is the proof:


Fruit no null and no history before 6.Rhg1
<snipped>
>
>New game,
>1r1b1r1k/1qp4p/3pn1RQ/2p2N2/p3b3/P4P2/1PP4P/2KN3R w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Fruit 2.1:
>
>6.fxe4 Qxe4 7.Rhg1 Rxf5 8.Rxe6
>  µ  (-0.97)   Depth: 1/10   00:00:00
>6.Rxe6
>  ³  (-0.55)   Depth: 1/10   00:00:00
>6.Rxe6 Bg5+ 7.Qxg5 Rxf5
>  µ  (-0.81)   Depth: 2/16   00:00:00
>6.Rxe6 Bg5+ 7.Qxg5 Rxf5
>  µ  (-0.81)   Depth: 3/16   00:00:00
>6.Rxe6 Bg5+ 7.Qxg5 Bxf5 8.Re3
>  µ  (-0.90)   Depth: 4/16   00:00:00
>6.fxe4 Qxe4 7.Rf1 Rxf5 8.Rxe6 Qxe6 9.Qxe6 Rxf1
>  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 4/19   00:00:00
>6.fxe4 Qxe4 7.Rf1 Rxf5 8.Rxe6 Qxe6 9.Qxe6 Bg5+ 10.Rf4 Rxf4
>  µ  (-0.83)   Depth: 5/24   00:00:00
>6.Rxe6 Bg5+ 7.Qxg5 Rxf5 8.Qg4 Bxf3 9.Qxf5 Bxh1
>  ³  (-0.46)   Depth: 5/24   00:00:00
>6.Rxe6 Bg5+ 7.Qxg5 Rxf5 8.Qe3 Bxf3 9.Qc3+ Re5 10.Rxe5 Bxh1
>  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 6/24   00:00:00  415kN
>6.Rxe6 Bg5+ 7.Qxg5 Bxf5 8.Rg1 Rf7 9.Qe3 Bg6 10.Re8+ Rf8 11.Rxb8 Rxb8
>  ³  (-0.26)   Depth: 7/24   00:00:01  1011kN
>6.Rxe6 Bg5+ 7.Qxg5 Bxf5 8.Rg1 Rf7 9.Qe3 Qd5 10.Qc3+ Qd4 11.Qxd4+ cxd4
>  =  (0.01)   Depth: 8/28   00:00:03  3713kN
>6.Rhg1 Bg5+ 7.R1xg5 Rxf5 8.Rg4 Rf4 9.fxe4 c4 10.Rg3
>  =  (0.02)   Depth: 8/33   00:00:07  7041kN
>6.Rhg1 Bg5+ 7.R1xg5 Bxf5 8.Rxe6 c6 9.Rf6 Qe7 10.Rfxf5 Rxf5 11.Rxf5
>  +-  (2.77)   Depth: 9/33   00:00:16  15736kN
>
>(,  18.09.2005)

After 6.Rhg1 Fruit no pruning is supposed to see 0.02 for white at depth 7 and
2.77 for white at depth 8.

Surprisingly it is not the case and the score at depth 7 is signficantly higher.


Fruit no history pruning and no null pruning:
New game,
1r1b1r1k/1qp4p/3pn1RQ/2p2N2/p3b3/P4P2/1PP4P/2KN2R1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Fruit 2.1:

6...Bxf5 7.Rxe6
  -+  (-3.38)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
6...Bxf3
  -+  (-3.92)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
6...Bxf3 7.Qxf8+ Nxf8 8.Rg8#
  +-  (#2)   Depth: 2/12   00:00:00
6...Bg5+ 7.R1xg5 Bxf5 8.Rxe6 Bxe6 9.Qxe6 Qxf3
  -+  (-2.73)   Depth: 2/12   00:00:00
6...Bg5+ 7.R1xg5 Bxf5 8.Rxe6 Bxe6 9.Qxe6 Qxf3
  -+  (-2.73)   Depth: 3/12   00:00:00
6...Bg5+ 7.R1xg5 Rxf5 8.Rxe6 Rxg5 9.Qxg5 Bxf3
  µ  (-1.05)   Depth: 4/15   00:00:00
6...Bg5+ 7.R1xg5 Rxf5 8.Rxe6 Rxg5 9.Qxg5 Bxf3 10.Qf6+ Kg8
  µ  (-0.91)   Depth: 5/18   00:00:00
6...Bg5+ 7.R1xg5 Rxf5 8.Rxe6 Rxg5 9.Qxg5 Bxf3 10.Qf6+ Kg8 11.Qg5+ Kf8 12.Qf6+
Kg8
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 6/20   00:00:00  149kN
6...Bg5+ 7.R1xg5 Bxf5 8.Rxe6 Rf7 9.Rf6 Qd5 10.Rgxf5
  +-  (1.94)   Depth: 7/25   00:00:00  721kN
6...Bg5+ 7.R1xg5 Bxf5 8.Rxe6 c6 9.Rf6 Qe7 10.Rfxf5 Rxf5 11.Rxf5
  +-  (2.77)   Depth: 8/30   00:00:02  2352kN

(,  18.09.2005)

Maybe Fabien can explain it.

Uri



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