Author: ALI MIRAFZALI
Date: 04:44:48 09/18/05
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On September 17, 2005 at 21:48:01, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On September 17, 2005 at 10:04:32, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: > >>Hyatt has claimed many times that a Nodes Per Second Factor of one thousand >>times would not be overcome by the program with the less Nodes per second.In >>this Experiment it was shown conclusively that this is false .Although I played >>4 games ,I do not think the result would have been different if I had played a >>hundred more.Time Control 40 MOVES IN 2 HOURS followed by sudden death in 1 >>hour.Hardware: GNU CHESS 4.11 a program from 1996 ran a celeron 1.8 Gig machine >>;Chess Tiger on Palm ran on the Palm Tungten E.NODES PER SECOND:ON THE >>AVERAGE:CHESSTIGER ON PALM 500 per second ,GNU CHESS 4.11 500000 per second on >>the celeron 1.8 Gig.1000X DIFFERENCE.Hyatt and some other people have always >>argued about the supremecy of DeepBlue based on its speed.I think these days >>these arguments are false;and Speed does not mean as much as it used to.Deep >>blue would be crushed by todays program's.A lot of STRENGTH is EVALUATION >>FUNCTION.Take a look at these games: >>Match ended in 2-2 draw. >> > > > >If you want to quote me, get it _right_. > >Nowhere will you find me saying "a lousy program running 1000x faster is better >than a good program." > >So maybe it isn't "hyatt" that makes false statements. What I _did_ say was >that given two programs that are "reasonable" if you run one of them 1000x >faster, that is an _overwhelming_ advantage. > >Deep Blue's eval was not nearly so poor as gnuchess 4's. But that's not an >argument worth entering. But your statement above is simply false/wrong. > > >>[Event "?"] >>[Site "?"] >>[Date "2005.09.17"] >>[Round ""] >>[White "CHESS 4.11, GNU"] >>[Black "Tiger on Palm, Chess"] >>[Result "0-1"] >> >>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d4 d5 >>6.Bd3 Bd6 7.O-O O-O 8.c4 c6 9.cxd5 cxd5 10.Nc3 Nxc3 >>11.bxc3 Qc7 12.Qc2 h6 13.Qb3 Be6 14.Ba3 Bxa3 15.Qxa3 Nc6 >>16.Rae1 Rac8 17.Re3 Bg4 18.h3 Bxf3 19.Rxf3 Rfe8 20.Qb3 Rcd8 >>21.Rb1 Rd7 22.g3 Qd6 23.Qb5 Kf8 24.Rf4 Rc7 25.Qb3 Ne7 >>26.Re1 Rec8 27.Rf3 Rxc3 28.Qxb7 Qc7 29.Qb4 a5 30.Qa4 Nc6 >>31.Rfe3 Rb8 32.Bf1 Rxe3 33.Rxe3 Ne7 34.Rb3 Rxb3 35.axb3 f6 >>36.b4 axb4 37.Qxb4 Ke8 38.Qc5 Qxc5 39.dxc5 Kd7 40.Bb5+ Nc6 >>41.f4 Kc7 42.f5 Nd4 43.Bd3 Kc6 44.Kf2 Kxc5 45.g4 Nb3 >>46.Ke3 d4+ 47.Ke4 Nd2+ 48.Kf4 Kb4 49.h4 Kc3 50.Bb5 Nc4 >>51.Ba4 d3 52.Kf3 Nb2 53.Bb5 d2 54.Be2 Kd4 55.Kf4 d1=Q >>56.Bxd1 Nxd1 57.Kf3 Ne3 58.Kf4 Kd3 59.Kf3 h5 60.gxh5 Nxf5 >>61.Kf4 Nd4 62.Kg3 Ke2 63.Kf4 f5 64.Kg5 Kf3 65.h6 gxh6+ >>66.Kxh6 Kg4 67.Kg6 f4 68.Kh6 f3 69.Kg6 f2 70.Kf6 f1=Q+ >>71.Ke7 Nf5+ 72.Ke8 Qb5+ 73.Kd8 Qb7 74.h5 Kxh5 75.Ke8 Qe7+ >> 0-1 >> >>[Event "?"] >>[Site "?"] >>[Date "2005.09.17"] >>[Round ""] >>[White "CHESS 4.11, GNU"] >>[Black "Tiger on Palm, Chess"] >>[Result "1/2-1/2"] >> >>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Nxe4 4.Bd3 d5 5.Nxe5 Nd7 >>6.Nxd7 Bxd7 7.Nd2 f5 8.c3 Bd6 9.Bxe4 Qe7 10.Qb3 Bc6 >>11.c4 dxc4 12.Qxc4 Bxe4 13.Nxe4 Qxe4+ 14.Kf1 f4 15.Bd2 f3 >>16.gxf3 Qxf3 17.Re1+ Kf8 18.Rg1 a5 19.Rg2 Rg8 20.b3 Qf5 >>21.Bg5 Rh8 22.Qe2 Qf7 23.Qe4 c6 24.Bd2 Kg8 25.Qe6 Bb4 >>26.Bxb4 axb4 27.Qd6 Qf5 28.Qxb4 b5 29.Qd6 Rf8 30.Qxc6 Qd3+ >>31.Kg1 Qxd4 32.Qxb5 g6 33.a4 Rf7 34.a5 Kg7 35.Qe5+ Qxe5 >>36.Rxe5 Rb8 37.Rg3 Rfb7 38.Rf3 Ra7 39.Kg2 Rb4 40.Rfe3 Ra6 >>41.Kf3 Kf6 42.Rc5 h6 43.Ke2 Rh4 44.h3 Rb4 45.Rd5 Rc6 >>46.Kd1 Ra6 47.Kd2 Rf4 48.Ke2 Rb4 49.Kf3 Kf7 50.Kg3 g5 >>51.Rde5 Kf6 52.Rc5 Kg6 53.Rf3 Kh5 54.Rd5 Kg6 55.Kg2 Kh5 >>56.Rfd3 Ra7 57.Kf3 Ra6 58.Kg3 Rc6 59.Kg2 Ra6 60.Kf3 Ra7 >>61.Re5 Kh4 62.Re6 h5 63.Re5 Rab7 64.Kg2 Rxb3 65.a6 Rxd3 >>66.axb7 Rb3 67.Re7 Rb2 68.Rh7 g4 69.hxg4 Kxg4 70.Re7 h4 >>71.Rg7+ Kh5 72.Kh3 Rb3+ 73.Kh2 Rb2 74.Kg2 Kh6 75.Rd7 Kg5 >>76.Kh3 Rb3+ 77.Kh2 Rb2 78.Rf7 Kg4 79.Kg2 h3+ 80.Kg1 Rb1+ >>81.Kh2 Rb2 82.Rg7+ Kh4 83.Rh7+ Kg4 84.Rf7 Kh4 85.Rc7 Rxf2+ >>86.Kg1 Rb2 87.b8=Q Rxb8 88.Rc4+ Kg5 89.Rc3 Kg4 90.Rc4+ Kf5 >>91.Kh2 Ra8 92.Kxh3 Ra3+ 1/2-1/2 >> >>[Event "?"] >>[Site "?"] >>[Date "2005.09.17"] >>[Round ""] >>[White "Tiger on Palm, Chess"] >>[Black "CHESS 4.11, GNU"] >>[Result "0-1"] >> >>1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 >>6.Be3 Bg7 7.Be2 O-O 8.O-O Nc6 9.f3 d5 10.Nxc6 bxc6 >>11.exd5 Nxd5 12.Nxd5 cxd5 13.c3 Rb8 14.Qd2 Qa5 15.b4 Qa3 >>16.Bd4 e5 17.Bc5 Rd8 18.Rfe1 Bf5 19.Rac1 a5 20.Bd1 f6 >>21.Bb3 Be6 22.Red1 a4 23.Bc2 Bf8 24.Bxf8 Rxf8 25.Bd3 Rfc8 >>26.Rc2 Rc7 27.Re1 Kg7 28.Kf1 Rbc8 29.Rec1 Rc6 30.Kf2 R8c7 >>31.Bb5 Rb6 32.Be2 Bf5 33.Rb2 Rcb7 34.g4 Be6 35.Rbc2 Rc7 >>36.Bd3 Rbc6 37.Kg2 Rd6 38.Kg1 Rcc6 39.g5 Bf7 40.gxf6+ Rxf6 >>41.Kg2 h6 42.Re1 d4 43.c4 g5 44.h4 gxh4 45.Rg1 Bg6 >>46.Kf2 Kf7 47.Bxg6+ Rxg6 48.Rxg6 Rxg6 49.Kf1 h3 50.b5 d3 >>51.Rb2 Rg2 52.Qxh6 Qxb2 53.Qh7+ Rg7 54.Qh5+ Ke7 55.Qh4+ Kd7 >>56.Qxh3+ Kc7 57.b6+ Kb7 58.Qg4 Qe2+ 59.Kg1 Rxg4+ 60.fxg4 d2 >>61.c5 d1=Q+ 0-1 >> >>[Event "?"] >>[Site "?"] >>[Date "2005.09.17"] >>[Round ""] >>[White "Tiger on Palm, Chess"] >>[Black "CHESS 4.11, GNU"] >>[Result "1/2-1/2"] >> >>1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.c4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Bb4 >>6.Nf3 O-O 7.Be2 dxc4 8.Bxc4 Re8+ 9.Be3 Be6 10.Qb3 Bxc4 >>11.Qxc4 a5 12.O-O c6 13.Ne5 Re6 14.Rfd1 Bd6 15.Bg5 Nbd7 >>16.Ne4 Qc7 17.Nxd6 Qxd6 18.Qb3 Nxe5 19.dxe5 Qxe5 20.Bxf6 gxf6 >>21.Qg3+ Qxg3 22.fxg3 Re2 23.Rab1 Rae8 24.Rd7 Rc2 25.Rxb7 Ree2 >>26.h4 Rxg2+ 27.Kh1 Rxg3 28.Rg1 Rxg1+ 29.Kxg1 Kg7 30.Ra7 Rxb2 >>31.Rxa5 Rc2 32.a4 c5 33.Rb5 c4 34.Rc5 f5 35.Rc6 c3 >>36.h5 f6 37.Kf1 Kh6 38.Rxf6+ Kg5 39.Rc6 f4 40.Rc4 Rd2 >>41.Rxc3 Rd5 42.Rc7 Kxh5 43.Rxh7+ Kg4 44.Rc7 Kg3 45.Rc6 Ra5 >>46.Rc3+ f3 47.Rc7 Rxa4 48.Rg7+ Kf4 49.Rf7+ Ke3 50.Re7+ Re4 >>51.Rf7 Rh4 52.Re7+ Kf4 53.Kf2 Rh2+ 54.Kf1 Ra2 55.Rf7+ Ke4 >>56.Re7+ Kd4 57.Rf7 Ke3 58.Re7+ Kd3 59.Rf7 Ke4 60.Re7+ Kd5 >>61.Re3 f2 62.Re2 Rxe2 63.Kxe2 f1=R 64.Kxf1 1/2-1/2 Once again you avoid the issue by Calling GNU chess 4 a lousy program.Note that Vincent has Compared DeepBlue Evaluation function to GNU chess Eval many times.......
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