Author: Bruce Moreland
Date: 23:35:50 09/19/05
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On September 18, 2005 at 14:47:26, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On September 18, 2005 at 14:38:27, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On September 18, 2005 at 13:59:18, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On September 18, 2005 at 12:00:09, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On September 18, 2005 at 10:45:19, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>># Name 1 2 3 4 5 P BU SB G >>>>1 Deep Thought II 2w1 5b0 7w1 3b1 5b1 4 13½ 11 5 >>>>2 Zarkov 1b0 6b1 4w1 5b= 3w1 3½ 15 9¾ 5 >>>>3 Star Socrates 10w1 7b1 5w1 1w0 2b0 3 12½ 5 5 >>>>4 Now 6w= 10b= 2b0 8w1 9b1 3 10½ 5½ 5 >>>>5 Mchess Pro 8b1 1w1 3b0 2w= 1w0 2½ 16½ 7¾ 5 >>>>6 Cray Blitz 4b= 2w0 9w1 7b0 10w1 2½ 11 4 5 >>>>7 Wchess 9w1 3w0 1b0 6w1 8b0 2 13½ 4½ 5 >>>>8 Evaluator 5w0 9b0 10w1 4b0 7w1 2 10 2½ 5 >>>>9 Innovation II 7b0 8w1 6b0 10b1 4w0 2 10 2½ 5 >>>>10 Spector 3b0 4w= 8b0 9w0 6b0 ½ 12½ 1½ 5 >>>> >>>>Zarkov from those days had no problems beating your 3 million nps Cray Blitz. >>>>Nor had Wchess problems beating your 3 million nps Cray Blitz. >>>> >>> >>>Ask John about the game. First, this was a 500K program for rounds 2-4. And >>>when you ask him, he'll tell you about our rather severe crash problem due to a >>>missing test to limit ply to 64 or less. And in a couple of cute places, we >>>went beyond that limit, crashed, and burned. We fixed it for the last round, >>>but it really didn't matter to the final results. >>> >>>But notice the issue was about deep thought, _not_ about Cray Blitz. Did you >>>see any of the micros coming close? (hint: round 2 was a forfeit which is why >>>they were paired a second time, round 2 never got started for the DT MCP game). >> >>Deep Thought was significantly better than the micro of 1995 >> >>Uri > >I am well aware of that. And DB was 100x faster than deep thought 2, and also >had a better evaluation... > >that was my point in all this... I think that Hsu is a pretty arrogant person, after having read some stuff that he has said about himself and other chess programmers. Read his book, if you can stand it. For years you have taken a few things he has said as truth, but given his personality I am not sure if they are true. He may think they are, but this doesn't mean that they are. He hung you out to dry by leaving you as primary defender of Deep Blue for years, while he left the trivialities of computer chess to mere mortals like us. The DB project doesn't deserve defense. It hit computer chess like a carpetbagger, then left in the night when the money was gone. bruce
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