Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 08:13:08 09/20/05
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On September 20, 2005 at 04:06:56, Bruce Moreland wrote: Nice to know you are back! >On September 19, 2005 at 12:01:00, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>If you were to ask anyone here, at the beginning of a WCCC-type event, "who is >>the favorite?" the most common answer by far would be Shredder. Probably >>followed by Deep Junior and/or Deep Fritz (if they played). >> >>Why is that? >> >>Because Shredder has won several events in recent years? >> >>Because everyone watches shredder games on the chess servers and notice how well >>it plays in most all positions? >> >>Those are the _same_ criteria I would use in guessing how DB would perform >>today, based on how it performed when it was active, and how its predecessor >>performed under the same conditions... >> >>It really was a remarkable machine. All the more so back in 1996/1997. It >>might not have nearly the same edge over us today that it had back in 1997, but >>if we are going to speculate, then we at least have to speculate that >>development continued on DB. In 1996 I was doing about 80K nodes per second. >>Today I can do about 100X more. So Deep Blue should get at _least_ that same >>improvement, if not more. 20 billion nodes per second or more is just >>unimaginable... >> >>If they had continued software improvements as well, they would be doing beyond >>20 ply searches, assuming null-move was added, probably some forward pruning >>since they did some of this in the hardware anyway, etc... >> >>It would be remarkably strong. Probably impossibly strong. > >No credit for imaginary work. > >We didn't see enough of DB to judge. Who is to blame for this? They are, >although to be fair, "they" may be IBM corporate bean-counting deal to some >extent. Should they benefit from this by becoming permanent hypothetical >computer chess world champion? Hell no. > >You don't get to win if you don't play. > >bruce
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