Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 08:52:19 09/20/05
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On September 20, 2005 at 11:16:16, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On September 19, 2005 at 10:06:16, K. Burcham wrote: > >From a chessplayer viewpoint the judgement is very easy. Deep Blue played like a >big crap. Todays software on other hand plays real strong. I'm sure there are a bunch of "big crap" grandmasters as well, since the lowly deep thought played so many of them and produced a 2650+ performance rating at 40/2hr time controls. Yep, deep blue was "big crap". And since deep thought was 100x slower, it must have been "big crap * 100". What does that say about all the human players on the planet? "bigger crap"? Only "crap" I see here lies inside your inane comment... > >> >> >>Pretty remarkable, and it shows that they were extremely strong compared to >>everyone else during that period. >>DB was just "a lot faster, and a lot smarter" than deep thought. It was (and >>would still be) competitive... >> >>Robert Hyatt >> >>Robert, you have always had "faith" in Deep Blue playing in a tournament against >>todays programs. What do you base this on? Mostly just a gut feeling? Is there a >>game that you were impressed with Deep Blue knowledge? Maybe just the fact that >>Deep Blue held its own against Kasparov? >>I read your point that you thought Deep Blue was strong for several years, but >>its competitors may not do so well against todays programs. >> >>Maybe you are saying that with improvements between 1997 and 2005, Deep Blue >>would be very strong today. Are you saying that Deep Blue, exactly the way it >>was in 1997 would be competitive today, with its 1997 search depth and 1997 >>knowledge? >> >>I am a fan of Deep Blue, its hardware and what they accomplished. I have spent >>days trying to find a line or move that todays programs will not play. I cannot >>find this, in fact we know that Deep Blue could not see 44.Kh2 wins in game 2. >>Instead Deep Blue played the draw move 44.Kf1. The knowledge and depth was not >>there to avoid this move. Todays programs also will not play this with winning >>eval. Some will play, but like you said once, not for right reason. >> >> [D] R7/1r3kp1/1qQb1p1p/1p1PpP2/1Pp1B3/2P4P/6P1/6K1 w - - 0 44 >> >> >>2006 Unlimited World Open >>Fruit 2.2 >>Zappa 2.0 >>Deep Fritz 9 >>Crafty 21.4 >>Deep Blue 3.1x >>Shredder 10 >>Hiarcs 10.2 >>Deep Junior 10 >> >>kburcham
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