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Subject: Re: Robert question, Deep Blue 3.1x

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 08:52:19 09/20/05

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On September 20, 2005 at 11:16:16, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On September 19, 2005 at 10:06:16, K. Burcham wrote:
>
>From a chessplayer viewpoint the judgement is very easy. Deep Blue played like a
>big crap. Todays software on other hand plays real strong.


I'm sure there are a bunch of "big crap" grandmasters as well, since the lowly
deep thought played so many of them and produced a 2650+ performance rating at
40/2hr time controls.

Yep, deep blue was "big crap".  And since deep thought was 100x slower, it must
have been "big crap * 100".  What does that say about all the human players on
the planet?  "bigger crap"?

Only "crap" I see here lies inside your inane comment...




>
>>
>>
>>Pretty remarkable, and it shows that they were extremely strong compared to
>>everyone else during that period.
>>DB was just "a lot faster, and a lot smarter" than deep thought.  It was (and
>>would still be) competitive...
>>
>>Robert Hyatt
>>
>>Robert, you have always had "faith" in Deep Blue playing in a tournament against
>>todays programs. What do you base this on? Mostly just a gut feeling? Is there a
>>game that you were impressed with Deep Blue knowledge? Maybe just the fact that
>>Deep Blue held its own against Kasparov?
>>I read your point that you thought Deep Blue was strong for several years, but
>>its competitors may not do so well against todays programs.
>>
>>Maybe you are saying that with improvements between 1997 and 2005, Deep Blue
>>would be very strong today. Are you saying that Deep Blue, exactly the way it
>>was in 1997 would be competitive today, with its 1997 search depth and 1997
>>knowledge?
>>
>>I am a fan of Deep Blue, its hardware and what they accomplished. I have spent
>>days trying to find a line or move that todays programs will not play. I cannot
>>find this, in fact we know that Deep Blue could not see 44.Kh2 wins in game 2.
>>Instead Deep Blue played the draw move 44.Kf1. The knowledge and depth was not
>>there to avoid this move. Todays programs also will not play this with winning
>>eval. Some will play, but like you said once, not for right reason.
>>
>> [D] R7/1r3kp1/1qQb1p1p/1p1PpP2/1Pp1B3/2P4P/6P1/6K1 w - - 0 44
>>
>>
>>2006 Unlimited World Open
>>Fruit 2.2
>>Zappa 2.0
>>Deep Fritz 9
>>Crafty 21.4
>>Deep Blue 3.1x
>>Shredder 10
>>Hiarcs 10.2
>>Deep Junior 10
>>
>>kburcham



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