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Subject: Re: Only fruit finds the draw in this position

Author: John Merlino

Date: 17:04:50 09/22/05

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On September 22, 2005 at 07:00:13, Paul Jacobean Sacral wrote:

>On September 22, 2005 at 05:39:07, Mahesh Jeswin wrote:
>
>>Only Fruit 2.1 seems to find the draw in this position without egtb.
>>Any other engine comes close to finding the draw ?
>>
>>[D] 7k/7P/8/6N1/7K/8/8/8 w - - 0 1
>
>I didn't find any! Good test position. At least engines which do not use egtb in
>the search, should probably have code for that type of position, or a "no
>progress" rule. Engines quickly reach depths of 20+ in this position. With a
>material balance of +4 and no progress at all after 20 plies, it is most
>probably a dead draw. I think that could be a "safe" rule, if the opponent has
>only the king (maybe even 10 plies are enough already, in those cases).
>
>Yours truly Paul J. Sacral

The King (CM9_R1) is pretty weird with this one. It immediately gives a score
around +6, and after a couple of seconds it is down to about +3.75 at depth 34.

On the next depth, and all the way to the engine maximum depth of 46 (which it
reaches in 0:11 on my AMD 2500), it gives a score of +10.75! The PV, of course,
shows no progress, so this is some bizarreness in the evaluation that I have
never seen in TK before.

jm



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