Author: KarinsDad
Date: 14:53:29 03/04/99
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On March 04, 1999 at 14:00:44, Will Singleton wrote: > >On March 04, 1999 at 13:09:59, KarinsDad wrote: > [snip] >> >>Ah ha!!! >> >>Caught by your own petard on this one Will. >> >>Morphy beat Anderssen by a score of 8-3 (+7-2=2), 11 games (this is sometimes >>mistakenly reported as 7-2, but that is the won vs. lost games). However, Morphy >>was ill, so he played the games from his hotel room (due to him being leeched 4 >>pints of blood). Also, the games were played in early 1859 (I think), way before >>either chess clocks (so the games were slower and more decisive) or modern >>statistical theory. >> >>All in all, Morphy decisively crushed Anderssen no matter how you slice it. He >>also crushed Lowenthal, Owen (with pawn odds), and Harrwitz before Anderssen. He >>established himself first (Deep Blue didn't, it only played Kasparov, Deep >>Thought not counted). Staunton (egotistical smuck) wouldn't even play Morphy. >> >>Finally, getting back to Kasparov / Deep Blue. Kasparov has the winning edge >>there +4-3=5 in the 2 matches. Everybody seems to forget that and focuses merely >>on the second match (cause Deep Blue was so much stronger then, uh huh). >> >>KarinsDad :) :) > > >I don't have a petard to get caught on. :) You poor guy. :( > >Yes, I was referring to the 7-2 score. In any event, it was a short match by >today's standards, and he'd never played any of those people before. By today's standards? 1984-85 Karpov / Kasparov was a unlimited game match (and then called). (25-23) That put an end to unlimited matches. 1985 Karpov / Kasparov was a 24 game match. (13-11) 1986 Kasparov / Karpov was a 24 game match. (12.5-11.5) 1987 Kasparov / Karpov was a 24 game match. (12-12) 1990 Kasparov / Karpov was a 24 game match. (12.5-11.5) 1993 Kasparov / Short was a 24 game match. (12.5-7.5) 1993 Karpov / Timman was a 24 game match. (12.5-8.5) 1995 Kasparov / Anand was a 20 game match. (10.5-7.5) 1996 Karpov / Kamsky was a 20 game match. (10.5-7.5) 1998 Karpov / Anand was a 6 game match (plus 2 speed games) for a total of 8 games. (5-3) The number of games per match have been dropping recently by "today's standards". Also, I do not know it for a fact, but the Morphy / Anderssen match was probably a 15 game match that Morphy won once he had 8 points. Also, Morphy beat Anderssen by a greater margin (in some cases, a much greater margin) than any of these matches (and most if not all of the championship matches ever, but I didn't go back and check them all). I'd also wager a bet that Morphy / Anderssen required as much or nearly as much time in their 11 game match as most of the 24 or fewer game matches (due to there being no clocks). So, nearly as much thought was put into the games. I would also contend that there is no reason to doubt that Morphy deserved to be world chess champion as much or more than every other world champion ever. > >Both Morphy and Deep Blue had to accept whatever arrangements they could muster, >and they both won short matches. Both are significant. Deep Blue had no such constraints. The money was there, they could have played most every superGM in the world. But IBM decided to only play the best. Deep Blue also lost the first such short match (and by more points than it won the second one by). However, I will admit that the second match was historically significant. KarinsDad :) > >Will
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