Author: Uri Blass
Date: 11:07:37 09/26/05
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On September 26, 2005 at 13:38:02, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>>I disagree.
>>
>>The simple fact that the game prove again(pablo already proved it earlier) is
>>that Fritz9 was not optimized to play better against humans because the first
>>thing that I expect chessbase to do in case that they care about games against
>>humans is to stop pablo and his friends from getting these type of position when
>>Fritz is unable to do progress.
>
>Maybe they don't care about these type of games, i know i wouldn't.
>
>>It can be done by a better evaluation function for this type of
>>positions(something that was not done by chessbase).
>>
>>>And the most pathetic thing about these games is that server lag is probably the
>>>most likely reason as to why these engines lose on time!
>>
>>Yes but if you look at the games you can understand that weak humans can still
>>get a draw easily against Fritz even without the lag problem.
>>
>>Uri
>
>You mean they can easily get a draw under these conditions?
>I would love to see draws like this under serious circumstances, then i would be
>impressed, to me this is just a gimmick.
>
>Regards
>Jonas
It seems to me that the final positions that the engine lost on time is simply
drawn positions at least in part of the cases.
I continued some moves in analysis mode when I chose fruit's moves for the black
side and my moves for the white side(my moves were not based on computer
analysis) and I did not see fruit2.1 get the advantage.
[Event "Blitz:3'"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.09.26"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Javier"]
[Black "Fritz 9"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A03"]
[BlackElo "3708"]
[PlyCount "344"]
[EventDate "2005.??.??"]
[TimeControl "180"]
{318MB, Fritz9.ctg, JAVIER-GC4RSDG8} 1. f4 {[%emt 0:00:02]} d5 {[%emt 0:00:00]}
2. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:01]} g6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 3. e3 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bg7 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 4. d4 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:14]} 5. Be2 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} O-O {[%emt 0:00:00]} 6. c3 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bf5 {[%emt 0:00:07]
} 7. O-O {[%emt 0:00:01]} Nbd7 {[%emt 0:00:04]} 8. Bd3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} c5 {
[%emt 0:00:04]} 9. Ne5 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Ne4 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 10. Nxd7 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Qxd7 {[%emt 0:00:05]} 11. Qe2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} h6 {
[%emt 0:00:05]} 12. Nd2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Rfd8 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 13. Nxe4 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} dxe4 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 14. Bc2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Rac8 {
[%emt 0:00:03]} 15. g3 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bg4 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 16. Qf2 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Qc6 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 17. Bd1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bh3 {
[%emt 0:00:04]} 18. Re1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Qe6 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 19. Be2 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} a6 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 20. Bf1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bxf1 {
[%emt 0:00:03]} 21. Rxf1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} b6 {[%emt 0:00:04]} 22. Bd2 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} b5 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 23. a3 {[%emt 0:00:03]} Rd5 {[%emt 0:00:03]
} 24. Rae1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Rh5 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 25. Re2 {
Fritz 9 verdoppelt [%emt 0:00:04]} c4 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 26. Qe1 {[%emt 0:00:03]}
Rb8 {[%emt 0:00:05]} 27. Rg2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} a5 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 28. Qa1 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Rh3 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 29. Re1 {[%emt 0:00:02]} Bf6 {
[%emt 0:00:02]} 30. Ree2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} g5 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 31. Be1 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} g4 {[%emt 0:00:05]} 32. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} a4 {[%emt 0:00:02]
} 33. Qd2 {[%emt 0:00:02]} Rd8 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 34. Qc2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bg7 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} 35. Qd2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Rd5 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 36. Qc2 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Qf5 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 37. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bf6 {
[%emt 0:00:02]} 38. Qc2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} e6 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 39. Kh1 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Kg7 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 40. Kg1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qg6 {
[%emt 0:00:02]} 41. Kh1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Kg8 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 42. Kg1 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Bg7 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 43. Kh1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qf5 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} 44. Kg1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Kh7 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 45. Kh1 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Qg6 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 46. Kg1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bf6 {
[%emt 0:00:02]} 47. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Be7 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 48. Qc2 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Kg8 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 49. Kh1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Qf5 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} 50. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Kh8 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 51. Qc2 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Bf6 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 52. Kg1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qg6 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} 53. Kh1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bg7 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 54. Qb1 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Rdh5 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 55. Qa1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Kg8 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} 56. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bf8 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 57. Qc2 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Qh7 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 58. Qb1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bg7 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} 59. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Qf5 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 60. Qc2 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Bf8 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 61. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Kh7 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} 62. Qd2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bd6 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 63. Qc2 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Kg7 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 64. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Be7 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} 65. Qb1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bf6 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 66. Qa1 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Kg8 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 67. Qa2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Qg6 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} 68. Qb1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bh8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 69. Qc1 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Kh7 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 70. Qc2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Qf5 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 71. Qd2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Kg8 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 72. Qc2 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Qd5 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 73. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bg7 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} 74. Qb1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bf8 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 75. Qa1 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Be7 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 76. Qa2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bf6 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} 77. Qb1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bd8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 78. Qc1 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Qf5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 79. Qc2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qg6 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 80. Qd2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bf6 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 81. Qc2 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Kh7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 82. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bd8 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 83. Qb1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Kh8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 84. Qc1 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Qf5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 85. Qc2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bf6 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 86. Qd2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Be7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 87. Qc2 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} f6 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 88. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bf8 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 89. Qc2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Kg8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 90. Qb1 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Rg5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 91. Qc2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Rg7 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 92. Qd2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Rd7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 93. Qc2 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Rd5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 94. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Qg6 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 95. Qb1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Rdh5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 96. Qa1 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Bg7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 97. Qa2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Kh8 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 98. Qb1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bf8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 99. Qc1 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Bd6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 100. Qc2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Rd5 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 101. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bf8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 102. Qb1 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Kg7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 103. Qa1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bd6 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 104. Qa2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Rdh5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 105. Qb1 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Be7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 106. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Qf5 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 107. Qc2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Kg8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 108. Qc1 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Qg6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 109. Qb1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Qh7 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 110. Qa1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bd6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 111. Qa2 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Bf8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 112. Qb1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Rd5 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 113. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bd6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 114. Qc2 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Rdh5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 115. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qf5 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 116. Qd2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Qg6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 117. Qc2 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Bf8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 118. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bg7 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 119. Qb1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Rd5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 120. Qa1 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Qf5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 121. Qa2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qh7 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 122. Qb1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Rd6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 123. Qc1 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Qg6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 124. Qc2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Rd5 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 125. Qd2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Qf5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 126. Qc2 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Rd7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 127. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qg6 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 128. Qb1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bf8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 129. Qa1 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Kh7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 130. Qa2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Rd5 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 131. Qb1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Rdh5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 132. Qc1 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Bd6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 133. Qc2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Rd5 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 134. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Kg8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 135. Qb1 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Be7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 136. Qa1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} f5 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 137. Qa2 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bf8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 138. Qb1 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Bg7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 139. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Qf7 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 140. Qc2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qh5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 141. Qc1 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Bf6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 142. Kg1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Qg6 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 143. Kh1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Kg7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 144. Qc2 {
[%emt 0:00:02]} Be7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 145. Qb1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Bf8 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 146. Qa1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Kh7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 147. Qc1 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Kh8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 148. Qc2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bg7 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 149. Kg1 {[%emt 0:00:01]} Qe8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 150. Qc1 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Kg8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 151. Qb1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qg6 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 152. Qa1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bf6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 153. Qa2 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} Qg7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 154. Qb1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qc7 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 155. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qf7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 156. Kh1 {
[%emt 0:00:01]} h5 157. Bf2 h4 158. gxh4 Bxh4 159. Bxh4 Rxh4 160. Qe1 Qe7 161.
Qg3 Kf7 162. Qe1 Rd8 163. Qg3 Rh3 164. Qf2 Rdh8 165. Qe1 Qh4 166. Qxh4 R3xh4
167. Rg3 Kf6 168. Kg1 R4h7 169. Kh1 Re8 170. Kg1 Rd8 171. Kh1 Ke7 172. Kg1 Kd6
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