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Subject: Re: Deep Blue test positions vs todays programs

Author: George Tsavdaris

Date: 14:19:07 09/28/05

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On September 28, 2005 at 16:24:56, adam wilks wrote:

>Its logical to think that computer programs will get stronger gradually as time
>progresses. I’ve done this "deep blue test" of 1996/7 numerous times on a
>desktop pc with shredder 8/9,Hydra,

Hydra??????

>Fritz and Chessmaster 10k settings. If
>tested on default settings most programs will chose stronger lines and not
>consider alot of the Deep Blue moves as "search techniques" have improved. This
>is not to say Deep Blue didn’t have a search feature. It did. On the contrary,
>Deep Blue was predominantly a "brute force" approach to chess.
>
>Furthermore, this "brute force" approach has become less prominent as
>programmers adopt highly sophisticated/selective search techniques. Time acts as
>a "technological hardware cut-off" in computer chess when more knowledge can be
>implemented in to chips like Hydras FPGA chips or via software as compilers are
>alot faster, debugging easier than 10 yrs ago as there’s more knowledge to refer
>to. I think pda testing is the future as its portable and like carrying a
>grandmaster in your pocket. Take Pocket Fritz`s draw with Michael Adams a few
>yrs ago in Mainz. If a Pocket Pc can draw a grandmaster then what’s the point of
>Hydra playing Adams? Lastly, Hiarcs 9.50a on a Tungsten T3 has beaten two high
>2600 grandmasters. People finally recognize Machines annihilation of man on the
>board, will it be 10 yrs when the average pocket pc will be two pawns up by move
>30? Does that mean by the time im 22 Hiarcs will be one pawn up by move 15?
>
>Man can only win by:
>
>1. Computer programming was banned this month so "humans can try to catch up
>with their own creations". (Highly unlikely as its human instinct to go where no
>one else has gone).
>
>2. Or, everyone started reading Ernest F Pecci`s book "A Psychiatrist matches
>wits with Fritz" and learning “quiet” moves.

This will be no problem for future versions of computers........

>
>I wish that within the next 50 yrs there will be a "normal" group of
>grandmasters like today

>but also another "normal" group whom specialisze in
>beating chess programs/dedicated computers whom recieve equal credability and
>accolades as chess GMs` whatever that may currently be.

You can continue dreaming.........:-)



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