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Subject: Re: Does Fruit 2.2 not used EGTBs ? A Example (PGN)

Author: Bernhard Bauer

Date: 07:29:10 09/29/05

Hi Eduard,

try crafty

                                    11. Kc5 Qxa5+ 12. Kd6
               21->  19.51 -19.84   1. ... Kf4 2. Ke2 Kg3 3. Ke3 Kxg2 4.
                                    Kf4 Kxh3 5. Kf3 f4 6. Kf2 Kg4 7. Ke2
                                    h3 8. Kd2 h2 9. Kc3 h1=Q 10. Kb4 Qa1
                                    11. Kc5 Qxa5+ 12. Kd6
               22    20.66     -1   1. ... Kf4!!
               22    20.98     -3   1. ... Kf4!!
               22    21.47     -M   1. ... Kf4!!
               22    23.33 -Mat33   1. ... Kf4 2. Ke2 Kg3 3. Kf1 f4 4.
                                    Kg1 f3 5. gxf3 Kxf3 6. Kh2 Ke3 7. Kg2
                                    Ke2 8. Kg1 Kd2 9. Kf2 Kc3 10. Ke2 Kb4
                                    11. Kd3 Kxa5 <EGTB>

Note you have not to send any emails fingerprints etc.
Kind regards
Bernhard


On September 29, 2005 at 09:18:38, Eduard Nemeth wrote:

>On September 29, 2005 at 08:44:56, Dieter Eberle wrote:
>
>>Hi Eduard,
>>a free update for tablebase usage will follow till end of October.
>>[http://www.fruitchess.com/features.htm]
>>Regards Dieter
>
>Trotzdem:
>
>Statt Kd3??? hätte im Zug 69. Kc4! wohl Remis gehalten, und Fruit 2.1 sowie Toga
>II 1.0 sehen das auch:
>
>[D]8/8/p7/P3kp2/7p/2K4P/6P1/8 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Fruit 2.1:
>
>69.Kc4
>  =  (0.18)   Tiefe: 1/1   00:00:00
>69.Kc4 Ke4
>  =  (0.18)   Tiefe: 2/3   00:00:00
>69.Kc4 Ke4 70.Kc5
>  =  (0.18)   Tiefe: 3/5   00:00:00
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Ke4
>  =  (0.18)   Tiefe: 4/5   00:00:00
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kd4 Kxg2
>  ³  (-0.63)   Tiefe: 5/8   00:00:00
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2
>  µ  (-1.03)   Tiefe: 6/8   00:00:00
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kd4 Kxg2 72.Ke5 Kxh3 73.Kxf5
>  µ  (-0.90)   Tiefe: 7/10   00:00:00  1kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kd4 Kxg2 72.Ke5 Kxh3 73.Kxf5
>  µ  (-0.90)   Tiefe: 8/10   00:00:00  3kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb5
>  ²  (0.36)   Tiefe: 9/11   00:00:00  8kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kd4 Kg3 71.Ke5 Kxg2 72.Kxf5 Kxh3 73.Kf4 Kg2
>  µ  (-1.19)   Tiefe: 10/11   00:00:00  10kN
>69.Kd2 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxh3
>  ³  (-0.60)   Tiefe: 10/12   00:00:00  34kN
>69.Kd2 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Ke4
>  ³  (-0.60)   Tiefe: 11/13   00:00:00  73kN
>69.Kd2 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>  µ  (-1.08)   Tiefe: 12/14   00:00:00  75kN
>69.Kd2 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>  µ  (-1.08)   Tiefe: 13/16   00:00:00  80kN
>69.Kd2 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>76.Ke3
>  µ  (-0.96)   Tiefe: 14/18   00:00:00  114kN
>69.Kd2 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>76.Kf3 Kh2
>  µ  (-1.07)   Tiefe: 15/19   00:00:00  125kN
>69.Kd2 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>76.Kf3 Kh2 77.Ke4
>  µ  (-0.89)   Tiefe: 16/24   00:00:01  308kN
>69.Kd2 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>76.Kf3 Kh2 77.Ke4 h3
>  µ  (-1.26)   Tiefe: 17/26   00:00:01  339kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 Kxh3
>76.a8D f1D 77.Dc8+ Kg3 78.Dg8+ Kf3 79.Df7+ Kg2
>  µ  (-1.18)   Tiefe: 17/29   00:00:01  363kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 Kxh3
>76.a8D f1D 77.Dc8+ Kg3 78.Dg8+ Kf3 79.Df8+ Kg2 80.Dg7+ Kh2 81.De5+ Kg2
>  µ  (-1.05)   Tiefe: 18/29   00:00:01  478kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dc8+ Kg3 78.Dc3+ Df3 79.Dg7+ Kf2 80.Db2+ De2 81.Df6+ Kg3 82.Dg5+
>Dg4 83.De5+ Df4
>  µ  (-1.31)   Tiefe: 19/34   00:00:04  1097kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dc8+ Kh2 78.Dc7+ Kg1 79.Dg7+ Kh1 80.Db7+ Dg2 81.Df7 h3 82.Kc5
>  µ  (-1.31)   Tiefe: 20/36   00:00:07  2311kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dd5 Df6+ 78.Kc5 Kg3 79.Dd3+ Kg4 80.De4+ Df4 81.De2+ Df3 82.Dc4+
>Kg5 83.Dd4
>  µ  (-1.36)   Tiefe: 21/38   00:00:14  4667kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dd5 Df6+ 78.Kc5 Kg3 79.Dd3+ Kg4 80.De4+ Df4 81.De2+ Kf5 82.Kd5
>Kg5 83.De4 Dxe4+ 84.Kxe4
>  µ  (-1.35)   Tiefe: 22/39   00:00:23  7681kN
>
>(Nemeth, Privat 29.09.2005)
>
>QTIPPS,F - Santiga,F, 20'/40 Privat
>8/8/p7/P3kp2/7p/2K4P/6P1/8 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Toga II 1.0:
>
>69.g3 hxg3
>  -+  (-7.71)   Tiefe: 1/2   00:00:00
>69.Kb2
>  =  (-0.18)   Tiefe: 1/3   00:00:00
>69.Kc2
>  =  (-0.06)   Tiefe: 1/3   00:00:00
>69.Kd2
>  =  (0.06)   Tiefe: 1/3   00:00:00
>69.Kd3
>  =  (0.18)   Tiefe: 1/3   00:00:00
>69.Kd3 Kd5
>  =  (0.18)   Tiefe: 2/3   00:00:00
>69.Kd3 Kd5 70.Ke3
>  =  (0.18)   Tiefe: 3/5   00:00:00
>69.Kd3 Kd5 70.Ke3 Ke5
>  =  (0.18)   Tiefe: 4/5   00:00:00
>69.Kd3 Kd5 70.Ke3 Ke5 71.Kd2
>  =  (0.06)   Tiefe: 5/7   00:00:00
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 Kf4
>  =  (-0.18)   Tiefe: 6/8   00:00:00  2kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1
>  =  (-0.06)   Tiefe: 7/9   00:00:00  3kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3
>  =  (-0.06)   Tiefe: 8/10   00:00:00  6kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxh3
>  ³  (-0.60)   Tiefe: 9/11   00:00:00  10kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb5
>  ²  (0.36)   Tiefe: 9/12   00:00:00  14kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kd4 Kg3 71.Ke5 Kxg2 72.Kxf5 Kxh3 73.Kf4 Kg2
>  µ  (-1.29)   Tiefe: 10/12   00:00:00  21kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxh3
>  ³  (-0.60)   Tiefe: 10/14   00:00:00  26kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Ke4
>  ³  (-0.60)   Tiefe: 11/14   00:00:00  34kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kh2 Kf2 75.Kh1
>  ³  (-0.60)   Tiefe: 12/15   00:00:00  47kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kh2 Kf2 75.Kh1 Ke3
>  µ  (-0.84)   Tiefe: 13/18   00:00:00  65kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>76.Ke3
>  µ  (-1.06)   Tiefe: 14/19   00:00:01  89kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>76.Kf3 Kh2
>  µ  (-1.17)   Tiefe: 15/22   00:00:01  123kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>76.Kf3 Kh2 77.Ke4
>  µ  (-0.99)   Tiefe: 16/24   00:00:01  186kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>76.Kf3 Kh2 77.Ke4 h3
>  µ  (-1.36)   Tiefe: 17/28   00:00:02  276kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dc8+ Kg3 78.Dg8+ Kf3 79.Df8+ Kg2 80.Dg7+ Kh2 81.De5+ Kg2
>  µ  (-1.19)   Tiefe: 17/30   00:00:02  325kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dc8+ Kh2 78.Dc7+ Kg1 79.Dg7+ Dg2 80.Da1+ Kf2 81.Df6+ Kg3 82.Dg5+
>Kh3
>  µ  (-1.16)   Tiefe: 18/32   00:00:03  466kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.De4 Df6+ 78.Kc5 Kg3 79.De3+ Kg4 80.De2+ Df3 81.De5
>  -+  (-1.44)   Tiefe: 19/34   00:00:04  842kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dc8+ Kg3 78.Dc3+ Kg2 79.Dg7+ Kh1 80.Db7+ Dg2 81.Df7 h3 82.Kc5
>  -+  (-1.45)   Tiefe: 20/36   00:00:06  1423kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dd5 Df6+ 78.Kc5 Kg3 79.Dd3+ Kg4 80.De4+ Df4 81.De2+ Kf5 82.Dh5+
>Kf6 83.Dd5 De3+ 84.Kb4
>  -+  (-1.45)   Tiefe: 21/38   00:00:11  2836kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dd5 Df6+ 78.Kc5 Kg3 79.Dd3+ Kg4 80.De4+ Df4 81.De2+ Kf5 82.Kd5
>Kg5 83.De4 Dxe4+ 84.Kxe4
>  -+  (-1.45)   Tiefe: 22/38   00:00:16  4256kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.De4 Kg3 78.Dg6+ Kh2 79.Dd6+ Kg1 80.Dg6+ Dg2 81.Db1+ Kh2 82.Dd3
>h3 83.Kc5 Kg1
>  -+  (-1.55)   Tiefe: 23/41   00:00:37  11214kN
>
>(Nemeth, Privat 29.09.2005)
>
>Nach Kc4 ergibt sich forciert:
>
>69. Kc4 Kf4 70. Kc5 Kg3 71. Kb6 Kxg2 72. Kxa6 f4 73. Kb6 f3 74. a6 f2 75. a7
>f1=Q 76. a8=Q+ Qf3 und vermutlich Remis.
>
>[D]Q7/8/1K6/8/7p/5q1P/6k1/8 w - - 0 1
>
>Wieso Fruit 2.2 dennoch den totalen Verlustzug spielt, und das nach 70s, ist mir
>ein Rätsel!

Re: Does Fruit 2.2 not used EGTBs ? A Example (PGN) Uri Blass 07:41:11 09/29/05
- Re: Does Fruit 2.2 not used EGTBs ? A Example (PGN) Bernhard Bauer 08:22:02 09/29/05
  - Re: Does Fruit 2.2 not used EGTBs ? A Example (PGN) Henrik Dinesen 09:35:08 09/29/05
Re: A Example Eduard Nemeth 07:38:07 09/29/05
- Re: A Example Djordje Vidanovic 09:05:11 09/29/05
  - Re: A Example Eduard Nemeth 11:39:00 09/29/05
    - Re: A Example Djordje Vidanovic 12:18:24 09/29/05
      - Re: A Example Eduard Nemeth 12:56:35 09/29/05
        
        Re: A Example Djordje Vidanovic 13:40:21 09/29/05
  - Re: A Example Christian Koch 09:11:29 09/29/05
    - Re: A Example Günther Simon 09:18:15 09/29/05
      - Re: A Example Djordje Vidanovic 09:55:00 09/29/05

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