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Subject: Re: Does Fruit 2.2 not used EGTBs ? A Example (PGN)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 09:34:08 09/29/05

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On September 29, 2005 at 09:18:38, Eduard Nemeth wrote:

>On September 29, 2005 at 08:44:56, Dieter Eberle wrote:
>
>>Hi Eduard,
>>a free update for tablebase usage will follow till end of October.
>>[http://www.fruitchess.com/features.htm]
>>Regards Dieter
>
>Trotzdem:
>
>Statt Kd3??? hätte im Zug 69. Kc4! wohl Remis gehalten, und Fruit 2.1 sowie Toga
>II 1.0 sehen das auch:
>
>[D]8/8/p7/P3kp2/7p/2K4P/6P1/8 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Fruit 2.1:
>
>69.Kc4
>  =  (0.18)   Tiefe: 1/1   00:00:00
>69.Kc4 Ke4
>  =  (0.18)   Tiefe: 2/3   00:00:00
>69.Kc4 Ke4 70.Kc5
>  =  (0.18)   Tiefe: 3/5   00:00:00
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Ke4
>  =  (0.18)   Tiefe: 4/5   00:00:00
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kd4 Kxg2
>  ³  (-0.63)   Tiefe: 5/8   00:00:00
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2
>  µ  (-1.03)   Tiefe: 6/8   00:00:00
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kd4 Kxg2 72.Ke5 Kxh3 73.Kxf5
>  µ  (-0.90)   Tiefe: 7/10   00:00:00  1kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kd4 Kxg2 72.Ke5 Kxh3 73.Kxf5
>  µ  (-0.90)   Tiefe: 8/10   00:00:00  3kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb5
>  ²  (0.36)   Tiefe: 9/11   00:00:00  8kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kd4 Kg3 71.Ke5 Kxg2 72.Kxf5 Kxh3 73.Kf4 Kg2
>  µ  (-1.19)   Tiefe: 10/11   00:00:00  10kN
>69.Kd2 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxh3
>  ³  (-0.60)   Tiefe: 10/12   00:00:00  34kN
>69.Kd2 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Ke4
>  ³  (-0.60)   Tiefe: 11/13   00:00:00  73kN
>69.Kd2 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>  µ  (-1.08)   Tiefe: 12/14   00:00:00  75kN
>69.Kd2 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>  µ  (-1.08)   Tiefe: 13/16   00:00:00  80kN
>69.Kd2 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>76.Ke3
>  µ  (-0.96)   Tiefe: 14/18   00:00:00  114kN
>69.Kd2 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>76.Kf3 Kh2
>  µ  (-1.07)   Tiefe: 15/19   00:00:00  125kN
>69.Kd2 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>76.Kf3 Kh2 77.Ke4
>  µ  (-0.89)   Tiefe: 16/24   00:00:01  308kN
>69.Kd2 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>76.Kf3 Kh2 77.Ke4 h3
>  µ  (-1.26)   Tiefe: 17/26   00:00:01  339kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 Kxh3
>76.a8D f1D 77.Dc8+ Kg3 78.Dg8+ Kf3 79.Df7+ Kg2
>  µ  (-1.18)   Tiefe: 17/29   00:00:01  363kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 Kxh3
>76.a8D f1D 77.Dc8+ Kg3 78.Dg8+ Kf3 79.Df8+ Kg2 80.Dg7+ Kh2 81.De5+ Kg2
>  µ  (-1.05)   Tiefe: 18/29   00:00:01  478kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dc8+ Kg3 78.Dc3+ Df3 79.Dg7+ Kf2 80.Db2+ De2 81.Df6+ Kg3 82.Dg5+
>Dg4 83.De5+ Df4
>  µ  (-1.31)   Tiefe: 19/34   00:00:04  1097kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dc8+ Kh2 78.Dc7+ Kg1 79.Dg7+ Kh1 80.Db7+ Dg2 81.Df7 h3 82.Kc5
>  µ  (-1.31)   Tiefe: 20/36   00:00:07  2311kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dd5 Df6+ 78.Kc5 Kg3 79.Dd3+ Kg4 80.De4+ Df4 81.De2+ Df3 82.Dc4+
>Kg5 83.Dd4
>  µ  (-1.36)   Tiefe: 21/38   00:00:14  4667kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dd5 Df6+ 78.Kc5 Kg3 79.Dd3+ Kg4 80.De4+ Df4 81.De2+ Kf5 82.Kd5
>Kg5 83.De4 Dxe4+ 84.Kxe4
>  µ  (-1.35)   Tiefe: 22/39   00:00:23  7681kN
>
>(Nemeth, Privat 29.09.2005)
>
>QTIPPS,F - Santiga,F, 20'/40 Privat
>8/8/p7/P3kp2/7p/2K4P/6P1/8 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Toga II 1.0:
>
>69.g3 hxg3
>  -+  (-7.71)   Tiefe: 1/2   00:00:00
>69.Kb2
>  =  (-0.18)   Tiefe: 1/3   00:00:00
>69.Kc2
>  =  (-0.06)   Tiefe: 1/3   00:00:00
>69.Kd2
>  =  (0.06)   Tiefe: 1/3   00:00:00
>69.Kd3
>  =  (0.18)   Tiefe: 1/3   00:00:00
>69.Kd3 Kd5
>  =  (0.18)   Tiefe: 2/3   00:00:00
>69.Kd3 Kd5 70.Ke3
>  =  (0.18)   Tiefe: 3/5   00:00:00
>69.Kd3 Kd5 70.Ke3 Ke5
>  =  (0.18)   Tiefe: 4/5   00:00:00
>69.Kd3 Kd5 70.Ke3 Ke5 71.Kd2
>  =  (0.06)   Tiefe: 5/7   00:00:00
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 Kf4
>  =  (-0.18)   Tiefe: 6/8   00:00:00  2kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1
>  =  (-0.06)   Tiefe: 7/9   00:00:00  3kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3
>  =  (-0.06)   Tiefe: 8/10   00:00:00  6kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxh3
>  ³  (-0.60)   Tiefe: 9/11   00:00:00  10kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb5
>  ²  (0.36)   Tiefe: 9/12   00:00:00  14kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kd4 Kg3 71.Ke5 Kxg2 72.Kxf5 Kxh3 73.Kf4 Kg2
>  µ  (-1.29)   Tiefe: 10/12   00:00:00  21kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxh3
>  ³  (-0.60)   Tiefe: 10/14   00:00:00  26kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Ke4
>  ³  (-0.60)   Tiefe: 11/14   00:00:00  34kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kh2 Kf2 75.Kh1
>  ³  (-0.60)   Tiefe: 12/15   00:00:00  47kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kh2 Kf2 75.Kh1 Ke3
>  µ  (-0.84)   Tiefe: 13/18   00:00:00  65kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>76.Ke3
>  µ  (-1.06)   Tiefe: 14/19   00:00:01  89kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>76.Kf3 Kh2
>  µ  (-1.17)   Tiefe: 15/22   00:00:01  123kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>76.Kf3 Kh2 77.Ke4
>  µ  (-0.99)   Tiefe: 16/24   00:00:01  186kN
>69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3
>76.Kf3 Kh2 77.Ke4 h3
>  µ  (-1.36)   Tiefe: 17/28   00:00:02  276kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dc8+ Kg3 78.Dg8+ Kf3 79.Df8+ Kg2 80.Dg7+ Kh2 81.De5+ Kg2
>  µ  (-1.19)   Tiefe: 17/30   00:00:02  325kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dc8+ Kh2 78.Dc7+ Kg1 79.Dg7+ Dg2 80.Da1+ Kf2 81.Df6+ Kg3 82.Dg5+
>Kh3
>  µ  (-1.16)   Tiefe: 18/32   00:00:03  466kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.De4 Df6+ 78.Kc5 Kg3 79.De3+ Kg4 80.De2+ Df3 81.De5
>  -+  (-1.44)   Tiefe: 19/34   00:00:04  842kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dc8+ Kg3 78.Dc3+ Kg2 79.Dg7+ Kh1 80.Db7+ Dg2 81.Df7 h3 82.Kc5
>  -+  (-1.45)   Tiefe: 20/36   00:00:06  1423kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dd5 Df6+ 78.Kc5 Kg3 79.Dd3+ Kg4 80.De4+ Df4 81.De2+ Kf5 82.Dh5+
>Kf6 83.Dd5 De3+ 84.Kb4
>  -+  (-1.45)   Tiefe: 21/38   00:00:11  2836kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.Dd5 Df6+ 78.Kc5 Kg3 79.Dd3+ Kg4 80.De4+ Df4 81.De2+ Kf5 82.Kd5
>Kg5 83.De4 Dxe4+ 84.Kxe4
>  -+  (-1.45)   Tiefe: 22/38   00:00:16  4256kN
>69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1D
>76.a8D+ Kxh3 77.De4 Kg3 78.Dg6+ Kh2 79.Dd6+ Kg1 80.Dg6+ Dg2 81.Db1+ Kh2 82.Dd3
>h3 83.Kc5 Kg1
>  -+  (-1.55)   Tiefe: 23/41   00:00:37  11214kN
>
>(Nemeth, Privat 29.09.2005)


Fruit2.2 does not play Kd3 at depth>17 on a slow A1000 64 mbytes hash

New game,
8/8/p7/P3kp2/7p/2K4P/6P1/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fruit 2.2:

1.Kd3
  =  (0.08)   Depth: 1/1   00:00:00
1.Kd3 Kd5
  ²  (0.28)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:00
1.Kd3 Kd5 2.Ke3
  =  (0.08)   Depth: 3/5   00:00:00
1.Kd3 Kf4 2.Ke2 Ke4
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 4/5   00:00:00
1.Kd3 Kf4 2.Ke2 Kg3 3.Kf1
  =  (-0.04)   Depth: 5/7   00:00:00
1.Kd3 Kf4 2.Ke2 Kg3 3.Kf1 Kf4
  =  (-0.08)   Depth: 6/7   00:00:00
1.Kd3 Kf4 2.Ke2 Kg3 3.Kf1 f4 4.Kg1
  =  (-0.16)   Depth: 7/9   00:00:00  1kN
1.Kd3 Kf4 2.Ke2 Ke4 3.Kd2 Kd4 4.Ke2 Ke4
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 8/10   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kd3 Kf4 2.Ke2 Kg3 3.Kf1 f4 4.Kg1 f3 5.gxf3 Kxh3
  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 9/11   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kd3 Kf4 2.Ke2 Kg3 3.Kf1 f4 4.Kg1 f3 5.gxf3 Kxh3
  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 10/12   00:00:00  5kN
1.Kd3 Kf4 2.Ke2 Kg3 3.Kf1 f4 4.Kg1 f3 5.gxf3 Kxf3 6.Kf1 Ke4
  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 11/14   00:00:00  11kN
1.Kd3 Kf4 2.Ke2 Kg3 3.Kf1 f4 4.Kg1 f3 5.gxf3 Kxf3 6.Kh2 Kf2 7.Kh1
  ³  (-0.70)   Depth: 12/15   00:00:00  20kN
1.Kd3 Kf4 2.Ke2 Kg3 3.Kf1 f4 4.Kg1 f3 5.gxf3 Kxf3 6.Kh2 Kf2 7.Kh1 Ke3
  µ  (-0.74)   Depth: 13/18   00:00:00  32kN
1.Kd3 Kf4 2.Ke2 Kg3 3.Kf1 f4 4.Kg1 f3 5.gxf3 Kxf3 6.Kf1 Kg3 7.Ke2 Kxh3 8.Ke3
  µ  (-1.06)   Depth: 14/21   00:00:00  49kN
1.Kd3 Kf4 2.Ke2 Kg3 3.Kf1 f4 4.Kg1 f3 5.gxf3 Kxf3 6.Kf1 Kg3 7.Ke2 Kxh3 8.Kf3 Kh2
  µ  (-0.97)   Depth: 15/24   00:00:00  93kN
1.Kd3 Kf4 2.Ke2 Kg3 3.Kf1 f4 4.Kg1 f3 5.gxf3 Kxf3 6.Kf1 Kg3 7.Ke2 Kxh3 8.Kf3 Kh2
9.Ke4
  µ  (-0.99)   Depth: 16/24   00:00:00  128kN
1.Kd3 Kf4 2.Ke2 Kg3 3.Kf1 f4 4.Kg1 f3 5.gxf3 Kxf3 6.Kf1 Kg3 7.Ke2 Kxh3 8.Kf3 Kh2
9.Ke4 h3
  µ  (-1.16)   Depth: 17/28   00:00:01  206kN
1.Kc4 Kf4 2.Kc5 Kg3 3.Kb6 Kxg2 4.Kxa6 f4 5.Kb6 f3 6.a6 f2 7.a7 f1Q 8.a8Q+ Kxh3
9.Qc8+ Kg3 10.Qg8+ Kh2 11.Qb8+ Kg2 12.Qg8+ Kf2 13.Qf7+ Kg2
  µ  (-1.05)   Depth: 17/30   00:00:01  307kN
1.Kc4 Kf4 2.Kc5 Kg3 3.Kb6 Kxg2 4.Kxa6 f4 5.Kb6 f3 6.a6 f2 7.a7 f1Q 8.a8Q+ Kxh3
9.Qc8+ Kg3 10.Qg8+ Kh2 11.Qb8+ Kg1 12.Qg8+ Qg2 13.Qc4
  µ  (-1.12)   Depth: 18/32   00:00:01  451kN
1.Kc4 Kf4 2.Kc5 Kg3 3.Kb6 Kxg2 4.Kxa6 f4 5.Kb6 f3 6.a6 f2 7.a7 f1Q 8.a8Q+ Kxh3
9.Qe4 Qf6+ 10.Kc5 Kg3 11.Qd3+ Kg4 12.Qe4+ Kh5 13.Kc4
  µ  (-1.25)   Depth: 19/34   00:00:03  1057kN
1.Kc4 Kf4 2.Kc5 Kg3 3.Kb6 Kxg2 4.Kxa6 f4 5.Kb6 f3 6.a6 f2 7.a7 f1Q 8.a8Q+ Kxh3
9.Qe4 Qf6+ 10.Kc5 Kg3 11.Qd3+ Kg4 12.Qe4+ Kg5 13.Qe3+ Qf4 14.Qe7+ Kg4 15.Qe2+
Kg5
  µ  (-1.28)   Depth: 20/36   00:00:04  1742kN
1.Kc4 Kf4 2.Kc5 Kg3 3.Kb6 Kxg2 4.Kxa6 f4 5.Kb6 f3 6.a6 f2 7.a7 f1Q 8.a8Q+ Kxh3
9.Qe4 Qf6+ 10.Kc5 Kg3 11.Qd3+ Kg4 12.Qd1+ Qf3 13.Qd4+ Qf4 14.Qd1+ Kg5 15.Qd8+
Kg6
  µ  (-1.34)   Depth: 21/39   00:00:08  3447kN
1.Kc4 Kf4 2.Kc5 Kg3 3.Kb6 Kxg2 4.Kxa6 f4 5.Kb6 f3 6.a6 f2 7.a7 f1Q 8.a8Q+ Kxh3
9.Qe4 Qf6+ 10.Kb5 Kg3 11.Qe3+ Kg4 12.Qe2+ Qf3 13.Qc4+ Qf4 14.Qe2+ Kf5 15.Qc2+
Qe4 16.Qc5+ Qe5
  µ  (-1.39)   Depth: 22/43   00:00:17  7660kN
1.Kc4 Kf4 2.Kc5 Kg3 3.Kb6 Kxg2 4.Kxa6 f4 5.Kb6 f3 6.a6 f2 7.a7 f1Q 8.a8Q+ Kxh3
9.Qd5 Qf6+ 10.Kc7 Kg3 11.Qd3+ Kg4 12.Qd1+ Kg5 13.Qd5+ Qf5 14.Qd8+ Kh5 15.Qe8+
Kh6 16.Qe3+ Kg6
  -+  (-1.50)   Depth: 23/43   00:00:39  17792kN
1.Kc4 Kf4 2.Kc5 Kg3 3.Kb6 Kxg2 4.Kxa6 f4 5.Kb6 f3 6.a6 f2 7.a7 f1Q 8.a8Q+ Kxh3
9.Qd5 Qf6+ 10.Kc7 Kg4 11.Qg2+ Kf5 12.Qc2+ Kg5 13.Qg2+ Kh6 14.Qd2+ Qg5 15.Qd6+
Kh5 16.Qd1+ Kg6
  -+  (-1.49)   Depth: 24/44   00:01:13  33884kN

(Blass, Tel-Aviv 29.09.2005)


It is not weaker than Fruit2.1 in this position

Uri

• Re: Does Fruit 2.2 not used EGTBs ? A Example (PGN) Eduard Nemeth 11:30:18 09/29/05
  • Re: Does Fruit 2.2 not used EGTBs ? A Example (PGN) Christian Koch 13:27:58 09/29/05
    • Re: Does Fruit 2.2 not used EGTBs ? A Example (PGN) Greg Simpson 18:29:43 09/29/05
      • Re: Does Fruit 2.2 not used EGTBs ? A Example (PGN) Graham Banks 19:44:28 09/29/05
        • Re: Does Fruit 2.2 not used EGTBs ? A Example (PGN) Greg Simpson 00:16:38 09/30/05
          • Re: Does Fruit 2.2 not used EGTBs ? A Example (PGN) Heinz van Kempen 00:48:55 09/30/05
            • Re: Does Fruit 2.2 not used EGTBs ? A Example (PGN) Uri Blass 01:14:09 09/30/05

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