Author: Djordje Vidanovic
Date: 09:55:00 09/29/05
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On September 29, 2005 at 12:18:15, Günther Simon wrote: >On September 29, 2005 at 12:11:29, Christian Koch wrote: > >>On September 29, 2005 at 12:05:11, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: >> >>>On September 29, 2005 at 10:38:07, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Note you have not to send any emails fingerprints etc. >>>> >>>>NO! Why ask You me about such problematic Engines like Fruit 2.2 ? >>>> >>>>german: ganz im Ernst: solche Engines möchte ich nicht einmal geschenkt haben, >>>>das ist kein Witz, testet es! >>>> >>>>Best, >>>>Eduard. >>>> >>>>>Kind regards >>>>>Bernhard >>>>> >>> >>>Dear Eduard, >>> >>>you talk about a couple of cases which do not mean anything in the general >>>assessment of the program. Besides, the games were played at very fast levels >>>and I have no idea what hash was used etc. Please keep an eye on the CEGT or >>>SSDF lists for independent testing! Of course, you can either keep it or leave >>>it. But please have in mind that Fruit plays the best end game of all engines >>>without using TB's. >>> >>>German for you :-) >>> >>>Sie können es nehmen oder es lassen. Halten Sie bitte ein Auge auf der CEGT und >>>SSDF unabhängigen Prüfung. Sie sprechen nur ungefähr zwei oder drei Fälle, die >>>nichts in einer allgemeinen Abbildung bedeuten :-))) >>> >>>Fruit spielt das beste Ende Spiel aller Motoren, keine TB's. >>> >>> >>>Djordje >> >>good shot Djorddje :-) >> >>Eduard is watching too much blitz games, drawing conclusuins from this. >> >>Christian > >Too say it even more precisely, too much blitz _server_ games, >two conditions which can flaw all results, but he will never believe. >He never followed any reasonable arguments in the past... >BTW who knows, if Fruit 2.2 really would play Kd3? in a working setup? >(I don't have it) > >Guenther I do have a version that is as close to Fruit 2.2 as is possible and it does NOT play the move Eduard discusses. So, we will never know what went wrong in the game he quoted. Analysis clip: QTIPPS,F - Santiga,F, 5m + 3s, rated blitz 2005 8/8/p7/P3kp2/7p/2K4P/6P1/8 w - - 0 1 Analysis by Fruit 05/09/20: 69.Kd3 = (0.08) Depth: 1/3 00:00:00 69.Kd3 Kd5 ² (0.28) Depth: 2/3 00:00:00 69.Kd3 Kd5 70.Ke3 = (0.08) Depth: 3/5 00:00:00 69.Kd3 Kd5 70.Ke3 Ke5 ² (0.28) Depth: 4/5 00:00:00 69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Ke4 71.Kd2 = (-0.04) Depth: 5/8 00:00:00 69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 Kf4 = (-0.08) Depth: 6/8 00:00:00 2kN 69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 = (-0.16) Depth: 7/8 00:00:00 3kN 69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Ke4 71.Kd2 Kf4 72.Kc3 Ke5 = (0.00) Depth: 8/10 00:00:00 5kN 69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxh3 ³ (-0.50) Depth: 9/11 00:00:00 8kN 69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxh3 ³ (-0.50) Depth: 10/12 00:00:01 13kN 69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Ke4 ³ (-0.50) Depth: 11/14 00:00:01 19kN 69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kh2 Kf2 75.Kh1 ³ (-0.70) Depth: 12/14 00:00:01 27kN 69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kh2 Kf2 75.Kh1 Ke3 µ (-0.74) Depth: 13/18 00:00:01 39kN 69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3 76.Ke3 µ (-1.06) Depth: 14/21 00:00:01 57kN 69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3 76.Kf3 Kh2 µ (-0.97) Depth: 15/24 00:00:01 98kN 69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3 76.Kf3 Kh2 77.Ke4 µ (-0.99) Depth: 16/24 00:00:02 135kN 69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Kg3 75.Ke2 Kxh3 76.Kf3 Kh2 77.Ke4 h3 µ (-1.16) Depth: 17/27 00:00:02 218kN 69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1Q 76.a8Q+ Kxh3 77.Qc8+ Kg3 78.Qg8+ Kh2 79.Qb8+ Kg2 80.Qg8+ Kf2 81.Qf7+ Kg2 µ (-1.05) Depth: 17/30 00:00:02 354kN 69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1Q 76.a8Q+ Kxh3 77.Qc8+ Kg3 78.Qg8+ Kh2 79.Qb8+ Kg1 80.Qg8+ Qg2 81.Qc4 µ (-1.12) Depth: 18/32 00:00:02 521kN 69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1Q 76.a8Q+ Kxh3 77.Qe4 Qf6+ 78.Kc5 Kg3 79.Qd3+ Kg4 80.Qe4+ Kh5 81.Qe8+ Kg5 82.Qe3+ Kg4 µ (-1.25) Depth: 19/34 00:00:02 1106kN 69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1Q 76.a8Q+ Kxh3 77.Qe4 Qf6+ 78.Kc5 Kg3 79.Qd3+ Kg4 80.Qe4+ Kh5 81.Qe8+ Kg5 82.Qg8+ Kf5 83.Qd5+ Qe5 µ (-1.28) Depth: 20/36 00:00:02 1859kN 69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1Q 76.a8Q+ Kxh3 77.Qe4 Qf6+ 78.Kc5 Kg3 79.Qd3+ Kg4 80.Qe4+ Qf4 81.Qe2+ Qf3 82.Qc4+ Kg5 83.Qg8+ Kf5 84.Qf7+ Kg4 µ (-1.29) Depth: 21/38 00:00:03 3495kN 69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1Q 76.a8Q+ Kxh3 77.Qe4 Qf6+ 78.Kb5 Kg3 79.Qe3+ Kg4 80.Qe4+ Qf4 81.Qe2+ Kf5 82.Qd3+ Qe4 83.Qd7+ Kf4 84.Qd2+ Kg4 µ (-1.39) Depth: 22/40 00:00:05 7487kN 69.Kc4 Kf4 70.Kc5 Kg3 71.Kb6 Kxg2 72.Kxa6 f4 73.Kb6 f3 74.a6 f2 75.a7 f1Q 76.a8Q+ Kxh3 77.Qe4 Kg3 78.Qg6+ Kh2 79.Qc2+ Kg1 80.Qg6+ Qg2 81.Qb1+ Kh2 82.Qd3 h3 83.Kc5 Qg5+ 84.Kc4 -+ (-1.44) Depth: 23/43 00:00:12 18295kN 69.Kd3 Kf4 70.Ke2 Kg3 71.Kf1 f4 72.Kg1 f3 73.gxf3 Kxf3 74.Kf1 Ke3 75.Kg1 Kd4 76.Kf2 Kc5 77.Ke3 Kb5 78.Kd4 Kxa5 79.Kc5 Ka4 80.Kd4 Kb5 ³ (-0.56) Depth: 23/43 00:00:34 55841kN (Vidanovic, Home 29.09.2005)
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