Author: Thomas Logan
Date: 11:34:27 09/30/05
Go up one level in this thread
On September 30, 2005 at 09:57:14, Thomas Lagershausen wrote: >On September 30, 2005 at 08:53:47, Thomas Logan wrote: > >>On September 30, 2005 at 08:38:13, Thomas Lagershausen wrote: >> >>>On September 30, 2005 at 08:18:08, Thomas Logan wrote: >>> >>>>On September 30, 2005 at 07:43:29, Thomas Lagershausen wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/rangliste.html >>>>> >>>>>Fruit WCCC`5 = Fruit 2.2 >>>>> >>>>>We have a new No. 1 in computerchess. >>>>> >>>>>TL > >>>> >>>>Fruit may be the strongest engine in the world or it may not be >>>> >>>>In my view however this is not decided by a 40/40 nunn rating list >>>> >>>>Play them at classical time control >>>> >>>>let them each use their own book >>>> >>>>then you will have the strongest in the world >>>> >>>>Tom >>> >>>First,i am not interested in booktesting. I am interested in the strongest >>>machine that give me good advices in positions that are not included in >>>openingbooks, for example the recent games of the top 8 in argentinia. >> >>Hi Thomas >> >>What leads you to believe the nunn test suite is nuetral ? >> >>Can you dismiss the posibility one of the engines involved was tuned using this >>while the other was not ? > >Tuning a program to play good in the most classical chesspositions? Nunn test suite includes most classical test positions ? Wow I did not know that I had no idea so much was put into it. > >A great idear, that means for me this program can play great chess. I would buy it imeaditly. How can i tune a program in another way to play this classical positions well? > >> >>Also while you examine for analysis purposes can you not also considered others >>examine for the strongest possible chess entity they can get on their computer >> >>To me both are valid >> >> >>>Second, classical time control is a matter of your hardware.If your hardware is >not the fastest you can´t say that 40/40 games is not the same as the games you >play on your pc. >> >>Well I matched Toga II at 40/40 vs Shredder and Toga won >> >>then I matched them at classical time control Shredder won >> >>I believe I can say 40/40 is not the same as classical time control > >Noo, please notice that in our cegt-test we have a 15,5 : 3,5 for Toga II againt >Fritz 9. In a rematch with the same timecontrol the result was 7,5 : 10,5 >against Toga II and we had another winner. Every expert of statistics will tell >you that is normal. You need lot of material to get valid results. We think that >you need about 300 games to find out which program is really stronger. So can you garentee you won't have one winner at one time control and another at another time control given a largw number of games >But anyway, both Shredder and Fruit are great chessprograms and every lover of >chess should have both at home. That I can agree with > >Greetings >TL > >> >>Dont get me wrong Fruit is very strong and it may have surpassed Shredder at its >>best but lets find that out by putting the best Shredder foward >> >>personally to me a 40-40 nunn Shredder is not it >> >> >>Tom
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.