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Subject: Re: simple position not easy for most engines (SOS.5 for Arena)

Author: Kurt Utzinger

Date: 11:42:30 10/02/05

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On October 02, 2005 at 13:49:37, Will Singleton wrote:

>White wins easily by promoting and exchanging queens, but most comps can't see
>it.
>
>[d]8/5p1P/8/8/6K1/5P2/1k6/q7 w - -
>
>Amateur failed to exchange queens, and drew the game.  I'm not quite sure why,
>seems like a simple search should be enough to handle this.  Oddly, if the
>exchange is forced, the win is seen immediately.  This happens with other progs
>as well.  I thought I had taken steps to eliminate root-position dependencies in
>the search, but maybe something else is happening.
>
>Will


      Hi Will
      SOS.5 for Arena (without EGTB) finds the solution
      under Shredder Classic GUI, P4 1.8/32 MB hash
      Kurt

Engine: SOS 5 for Arena (32 MB)
von Rudolf Huber
 13/28	 0:01 	+1.86 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Da8+ Kb2 3.Db7+ Kc3 4.Dxf7 Dg1+ 5.Kf5 Dc5+
6.Kf4 Dd4+ 7.Kg3 De3 8.Dd5 (575.224) 449
 14/29	 0:03 	+1.86 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Da8+ Kb2 3.Db7+ Kc3 4.Dxf7 Dg1+ 5.Kf4 Dd4+
6.Kf5 Dc5+ 7.Kf4 Dd4+ (1.867.058) 494
 15/30	 0:04 	+1.86 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Da8+ Kb2 3.Db7+ Kc3 4.Dxf7 Dg1+ 5.Kf4 Dd4+
6.Kf5 Dc5+ 7.Kg6 Dg1+ 8.Kf5 Dc5+ (2.105.360) 494
 16/34	 0:05 	+1.86 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Da8+ Kb2 3.Db7+ Kc3 4.Dxf7 Dg1+ 5.Kf4 Dd4+
6.Kf5 Dc5+ 7.Kg6 Dg1+ 8.Kf5 Dc5+ (3.020.090) 499
 17/37	 0:09 	+1.86 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Da8+ Kb2 3.Db7+ Kc3 4.Dxf7 Dg1+ 5.Kf4 Dd4+
6.Kg5 De5+ 7.Df5 Dxf5+ 8.Kxf5 Kd4 9.f4 Kc4 10.Ke4 Kc5 11.f5 (4.960.305) 504
 18/37	 0:20 	+1.86 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Kd5
f5 7.Ke6 Kc5 8.Kxf5 Kc4 9.Ke4 Kc5 10.f5 (10.246.196) 500
 18/37	 0:22 	+1.87 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Kd5
f5 7.Ke6 Kc5 8.Kxf5 Kc4 9.Ke4 Kc5 10.f5 (11.490.889) 506
 18/37	 0:23 	+1.88 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Kd5
f5 7.Ke6 Kc5 8.Kxf5 Kc4 9.Ke4 Kc5 10.f5 (12.204.925) 510
 18/37	 0:26 	+1.90 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Kd5
f5 7.Ke6 Kc5 8.Kxf5 Kc4 9.Ke4 Kc5 10.f5 (13.806.184) 518
 18/37	 0:28 	+1.91 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Kd5
f5 7.Ke6 Kc5 8.Kxf5 Kc4 9.Ke4 Kc5 10.f5 (15.132.570) 521
 18/37	 0:30 	+1.92 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Kd5
f5 7.Ke6 Kc5 8.Kxf5 Kc4 9.Ke4 Kc5 10.f5 (16.102.820) 524
 18/37	 0:32 	+1.93 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Kd5
f5 7.Ke6 Kc5 8.Kxf5 Kc4 9.Ke4 Kc5 10.f5 (17.122.636) 528
 18/37	 0:34 	+1.94 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Kd5
f5 7.Ke6 Kc5 8.Kxf5 Kc4 9.Ke4 Kc5 10.f5 (18.251.546) 531
 18/41	 0:38 	+1.95 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Kd5
f5 7.Ke6 Kc5 8.Kxf5 Kc4 9.Ke4 Kc5 10.f5 Kc4 11.f6 (20.626.281) 531
 18/41	 0:40 	+1.96 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Kd5
f5 7.Ke6 Kc5 8.Kxf5 Kc4 9.Ke4 Kc5 10.Ke5 Kc4 11.f5 (21.856.125) 533
 18/41	 0:42 	+1.97 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Ke5
Kc4 7.f5 Kd3 8.f6 Ke3 9.Kd6 Kf2 10.Ke7 Kf3 11.Kxf7 Kf4 12.Ke7 (23.027.990) 536
 18/41	 0:44 	+1.98 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Ke5
Kc4 7.f5 Kd3 8.f6 Ke3 9.Kd6 Kf2 10.Ke7 Kf3 11.Kxf7 Kf4 12.Ke7 Ke4 13.Kf8
(23.873.702) 538
 18/41	 0:46 	+1.99 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Ke5
Kc4 7.f5 Kd3 8.f6 Ke3 9.Kd6 Kf2 10.Ke7 Kf3 11.Kxf7 Kf4 12.Ke7 Ke4 13.Kf8
(25.179.683) 542
 18/41	 0:47 	+2.00 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Ke5
Kc4 7.f5 Kd3 8.f6 Ke3 9.Kd6 Kf2 10.Ke7 Kf3 (26.064.894) 544
 18/41	 0:49 	+2.01 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Ke5
Kc4 7.f5 Kd3 8.f6 Ke3 9.Kd6 Kf2 10.Ke7 Kf3 (26.917.582) 546
 18/41	 0:50 	+2.02 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Ke5
Kc4 7.f5 Kd3 8.f6 Ke3 9.Kd6 Kf2 10.Ke7 Kf3 (27.666.476) 548
 19/41	 0:56 	+2.02 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Ke5
Kc4 7.f5 Kd3 8.f6 Ke3 9.Kd6 Ke4 10.Ke7 Kf5 11.Kxf7 Kf4 (30.803.067) 546
 20/41	 1:14 	+2.02 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Ke5
Kc4 7.f5 Kd3 8.f6 Ke3 9.Kd6 Ke4 10.Ke7 Kf5 11.Kxf7 Kf4 12.Ke7 Ke4 13.Kf7 Ke5
14.Kg6 (40.036.911) 536
 20/41	 1:23 	+2.03 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Ke5
Kc4 7.f5 Kd3 8.f6 Ke3 9.Kd6 Ke4 10.Ke7 (44.877.104) 534
 20/41	 1:31 	+2.04 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Ke5
Kc4 7.f5 Kd3 8.f6 Ke3 9.Kd6 Ke4 10.Ke7 (48.833.571) 533
 20/41	 1:39 	+2.05 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Ke5
Kc4 7.f5 Kd3 8.f6 Ke3 9.Kd6 Ke4 10.Ke7 (53.300.964) 534
 20/41	 1:46 	+2.06 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Ke5
Kc4 7.f5 Kd3 8.f6 Ke3 9.Kd6 Ke4 10.Ke7 (56.678.854) 534
 20/41	 1:52 	+2.07 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Ke5
Kc4 7.f5 Kd3 8.f6 Ke3 9.Kd6 Ke4 10.Ke7 (60.049.504) 534
 20/41	 1:57 	+2.08 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Ke5
Kc4 7.f5 Kd3 8.f6 Ke3 9.Kd6 Ke4 10.Ke7 (62.998.309) 535
 20/41	 2:07 	+2.09 	1.h8D+ Ka2 2.Dxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf5 Kb2 4.f4 Kc3 5.Ke4 Kb4 6.Ke5
Kc4 7.f5 Kd3 8.f6 Ke3 9.Kd6 Ke4 10.Ke7 (68.407.811) 535



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