Author: Uri Blass
Date: 11:45:13 10/02/05
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On October 02, 2005 at 14:34:26, Gregory Owett wrote: >On October 02, 2005 at 13:10:46, Mike Byrne wrote: > >>On October 02, 2005 at 12:59:17, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On October 02, 2005 at 12:49:43, Mike Byrne wrote: >>> >>>>On October 02, 2005 at 12:41:51, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 02, 2005 at 12:27:17, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 02, 2005 at 12:07:02, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On October 02, 2005 at 11:28:13, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On October 02, 2005 at 10:46:25, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On October 02, 2005 at 10:35:48, Amused To Death wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Is there A web site that covers the game where Gary touched the pawn >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It was not a pawn , it was a knight. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A38229-2000Jul3¬Found=true >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>halfway down the story >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>"In 1994 in Linares, Spain, Kasparov played a knight move against Judit Polgar >>>>>>>>>and removed his fingers from that piece. But after he saw that he might lose >>>>>>>>>material, he took the knight back and made a different move. His act was caught >>>>>>>>>on camera by a Spanish television crew, but Polgar was so shocked that she >>>>>>>>>froze, uncapable to protest and soon lost the game. " >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>do google search on "polgar+kasparov+knight+Linares+touched" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Michael >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The story is different than when I first heard it. What I had read years ago, is >>>>>>>>Kasparov touched the square with his Knight, for all of a quarter second then >>>>>>>>moved it to the correct square. Polgar could have held him to the touch square >>>>>>>>rule, but this is the first time I've heard that Kasparov removed his fingers >>>>>>>>from the piece. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>At this point, I'd rather see the footage, then read a report. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Terry >>>>>>> >>>>>>>JFYI, there isn´t a "touch square rule" in chess. Touching a square is allowed. >>>>>>>Kasparov has released the piece. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Michael >>>>>> >>>>>>Ah...yeah there is Micheal....touch square touch piece, etc. You don't have to >>>>>>release the piece. >>>>>> >>>>>>Go through the all rules concerning this. FIDE USCF CFC etc. I'll be surprised >>>>>>to see this rule changed. >>>>> >>>>>What are you talking about? As long as you haven´t released the piece you are >>>>>entitled to move it on another square. >>>>>Of course I don´t know about USCF rules and I don´t care, in Linares FIDE rules >>>>>applied. >>>>> >>>>>Michael >>>> >>>>There is no "touch square" in USCF either - Terry is mistaken. You can touch >>>>every sqaure with a piece and still place the piece on any square. This issue >>>>here is that Kasparov let go of the knight and moved a different piece. >>>>Obviously once you let go, that move with has has to be played to that sqaure >>>>(if legal of course). If the sqaure is not legal, that piece still has to be >>>>moved. Only if it would be illegal to move that piece can you get away with it. >>>> Unless you're Garry Kasparov. ;>) >>>> >>>>best, >>>> >>>>Michael >>> >>>No >>>I agree that touching the square is not the problem but >>>Kasparov left the knight in the wrong square and later tried to move to another >>>square. >>> >>>"left" means putting the knight in a square and stopping to touch it for a short >>>time(in the game there was something like 1/3 second that the hand of kasparov >>>did not touch the knight). >>> >>>Uri >> >>I think you and I agree - he let go of the piece - that is the touch piece rule >>- once let goof teh piece (even for .3 seconds) he could not move it again. I >>think I was unclear - but you can touch every sqaure witha piece while >>continuosuly holding onto it. There is no touch square rule that Terry is >>suggesting. I doubt there ever was rule like that - and there has not been a >>rule liek that since I have been playing chess (1972). >> >>best, >> >>Michael > >Everyone makes a mistake. Certainly the piece was accidentally fallen from his >hand, and he has picked up again. :)) > >Gregory people are responsible for their accidents so this is not important and the rules simply say that he is not allowed to pick the piece again if the piece was fallen in legal square. It happened to me in 30 minutes/game when my opponent did a mistake and left the queen at the square e2 when I had a rook at e1. He tried to pick the queen again to put it in another square but I told him that he left it at e2 so he had to continue the game from that situation. He replied that it is obvious that he did not mean to put the queen at the square and that the queen was accidentally fallen from his hand in e2 insteasd of d2 and I said that I believe him but the rules said that it is not important what he meant but what he did. I saved a draw in this game instead of losing the game because of that error. Uri
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