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Subject: Re: simple position not easy for most engines

Author: Dieter Buerssner

Date: 13:10:26 10/02/05

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Yace, no TBs, never shows any other move from ply one, and after 21 s shows a
mate score. With bitbases/TBs times can be even faster and mate scores better.
Here the analysis without any tables:

       443   0.010   6.00  1t  1.h8=Q+ Ka2 2.Qxa1+H Kxa1H {0}
       455   0.010   6.00  1.  1.h8=Q+ Ka2 2.Qxa1+ Kxa1 {0}
       680   0.020   6.00  2t  1.h8=Q+ Ka2 2.Qxa1+ Kxa1 {INTREC} {0}
       785   0.020   6.00  2.  1.h8=Q+ Ka2 2.Qxa1+ Kxa1 {INTREC} {0}
      1392   0.020   6.00  3t  1.h8=Q+ Ka2 2.Qxa1+ Kxa1 {INTREC} {0}
      1484   0.020   6.00  3.  1.h8=Q+ Ka2 2.Qxa1+ Kxa1 {INTREC} {0}
      3854   0.020   6.00  4t  1.h8=Q+ Ka2 2.Qxa1+ Kxa1 {INTREC} {0}
      3947   0.020   6.00  4.  1.h8=Q+ Ka2 2.Qxa1+ Kxa1 {INTREC} {0}
      4408   0.020   9.95  5++ 1.h8=Q+ Kc1 2.Qxa1+ Kd2
      5031   0.020  11.02  5++ 1.h8=Q+ Kc1 2.Qxa1+ Kc2 3.Qa2+ Kd3 4.Qxf7 Ke3
                               {1081}
     23332   0.050  11.02  5t  1.h8=Q+ Kc2 2.Qxa1 Kd3 3.Qf6 Ke3 {1001}
[...]
  33853057  19.929  14.65 14.  1.h8=Q+ Ka2 2.Qxa1+ Kxa1 3.Kf4 Kb2 4.Ke5 Kc2
                               5.f4 Kd2 6.f5 Kd3 7.f6 Ke3 8.Kd6 Kf3 9.Ke7 Kf4
                               10.Kxf7 Kf5 11.Kg7 Ke4 12.f7 Kf5 13.Kh6 Kg4
                               14.f8=Q Kh4 15.Qg7 Kh3 16.Kh5 Kh2 {1001}
  34291471  20.189  18.97 15++ 1.h8=Q+ Ka2 2.Qxa1+ Kb3
  34294922  20.189  23.88 15++ 1.h8=Q+ Ka2 2.Qxa1+ Kb3
  35444883  20.940  Mat57 15++ 1.h8=Q+ Kb3 2.Qxa1 Kc4 3.Qf6 Kd5 4.Qxf7+ Ke5
                               5.Qg6 Kd5 6.Kf5 Kd4 7.Qg5 Kd5 8.Qf6 Kc5 9.Qh8H
                               Kd6H 10.Qd4+H Ke7H 11.Qc4H Ke8H 12.Kf6H Kd8H
                               13.Qc3H Kd7H 14.Qe5H Kc6H 15.Qa5H Kd6H 16.Qc7+H
                               Kd5H 17.Qc5+H Kxc5H 18.Ke5H Kc6H 19.Ke6H Kb6H
                               20.Kd6H Ka5H 21.Kc5H Ka6H 22.f4H Ka5H 23.Kd5H
                               Kb6H 24.Kd6H Kb5H 25.Ke6H Kc5H 26.f5H Kd4H
                               27.f6H Ke4H 28.f7H Kd4H 29.Kf6H Ke4H 30.f8=QH
                               Kf4H 31.Ke6+H Ke4H 32.Qc5H Kd3H 33.Qa3+H Kd2H
                               34.Qf8H Ke2H 35.Kf6H Ke3H 36.Ke5H Kd3H 37.Kf5H
                               Ke3H 38.Kg4H Kd3H 39.Qc5H Ke2H 40.Kf4H Kd3H
                               41.Qf8H Kd4H 42.Kf3H Kc4H 43.Ke3H Kd5H 44.Kd3H
                               Ke5H 45.Qf7H Kd6H 46.Kd4H Kc6H 47.Qf8H Kb6H
                               48.Kc4H Ka6H 49.Kc5H Kb7H 50.Kd5H Kc7H 51.Qa8H
                               Kd7H 52.Qb8H Ke7H 53.Qf4H Kd7H 54.Qf7+H Kd8H
                               55.Kc6H Kc8H 56.Qe7H Kb8H 57.Qb7#H {1001}
[Note - no TBs here - mate in 57 by search ...]
  62868761  37.244  Mat46 15t  1.h8=Q+ Kb3 2.Qxa1 Kc4 3.f4 Kd5 4.Qc3 Kd6H
                               5.Kf5H Kd5H 6.Qc4+H Kxc4H 7.Ke5H Kc3H 8.Kf6H
                               Kd3H 9.Kg7H Kd4H 10.Kf8H Kd5H 11.Kg8H f6H
                               12.Kg7H Ke6H 13.Kg6H f5H 14.Kg5H Ke7H 15.Kxf5H
                               Kf7H 16.Ke5H Ke7H 17.f5H Kf7H 18.Ke4H Kf6H
                               19.Kf4H Ke7H 20.Kf3H Kf8H 21.Kg4H Kg8H 22.Kg3H
                               Kh8H 23.Kf4H Kg8H 24.Ke4H Kf8H 25.Kd4H Ke8H
                               26.Kd5H Kf7H 27.Ke4H Kf6H 28.Kf4H Ke7H 29.Kf3H
                               Kf8H 30.Kg4H Kg8H 31.Kg3H Kh8H 32.Kf4H Kg8H
                               33.Ke4H Kf8H 34.Kd4H Ke8H 35.Kd5H Kf7H 36.Ke4HR
                               {80}
  64672385  38.315  Mat46 15.  1.h8=Q+ Kb3 2.Qxa1 Kc4 3.f4 Kd5 4.Qc3 Kd6 5.Kf5
                               Kd5 6.Qc4+ Kxc4 7.Ke5 Kc3 8.Kf6 Kd3 9.Kg7 Kd4
                               10.Kf8 Kd5 11.Kg8 f6 12.Kg7 Ke6 13.Kg6 f5
                               14.Kg5 Ke7 15.Kxf5 Kf7 16.Ke5 Ke7 17.f5 Kf7
                               18.Ke4 Kf6 19.Kf4 Ke7 20.Kf3 Kf8 21.Kg4 Kg8
                               22.Kg3 Kh8 23.Kf4 Kg8 24.Ke4 Kf8 25.Kd4 Ke8
                               26.Kd5 Kf7 27.Ke4 Kf6 28.Kf4 Ke7 29.Kf3 Kf8
                               30.Kg4 Kg8 31.Kg3 Kh8 32.Kf4 Kg8 33.Ke4 Kf8
                               34.Kd4 Ke8 35.Kd5 Kf7 36.Ke4 {80}
 101301179  1:00.5  Mat37 16t  1.h8=Q+ Kb3 2.Qxa1 Kc4 3.Qa2+ Kb4 4.Qxf7 Kc5
                               5.f4 Kb5 6.Qc7H Kb4H 7.Qc6H Kb3H 8.Qd5+H Kb4H
                               9.Kh4H Ka4H 10.Qc4+H Ka3H 11.Qd5H Ka4H 12.Qc4+H
                               Ka3H 13.Qd5H Ka4HR {1081}
 104519318  1:02.4  Mat37 16.  1.h8=Q+ Kb3 2.Qxa1 Kc4 3.Qa2+ Kb4 4.Qxf7 Kc5
                               5.f4 Kb5 6.Qc7 Kb4 7.Qc6 Kb3 8.Qd5+ Kb4 9.Kh4
                               Ka4 10.Qc4+ Ka3 11.Qd5 Ka4 12.Qc4+ Ka3 13.Qd5
                               Ka4 {1081}


with 4 men + kppkp win/draw/loss tables from RAM:

   4732193   3.104  12.16 12.  1.h8=Q+ Kc2 2.Qxa1 Kd3 3.Qa2 Kc3 4.Qd5 Kb4
                               5.Qxf7 Kb5 6.Qc4+ Kb6 7.Qc6+ Ka5 8.Qb5+ Kxb5
                               {HT} {80}
   4862251   3.205  12.56 13++ 1.h8=Q+ Kc2 2.Qxa1 f5+ 3.Kxf5 Kd2
   4926819   3.245  20.02 13++ 1.h8=Q+ Kc2 2.Qxa1 Kd3 3.Kf5 Kc4 4.Ke5 Kd3
                               5.Qa2 Ke3H 6.Qc2H f6+H 7.Kf5H Kxf3H {HT} {921}
   4927141   3.255  Mat34 13++ 1.h8=Q+ Kc2 2.Qxa1 Kd3 3.Kf5 Kc4 4.Ke5 f6+
                               5.Kxf6 Kb3H 6.Kf5H Kb4H 7.Kg4H Kc5H 8.Qf6H Kd5H
                               9.Qe6+H Kd4H 10.Qf7H Ke5H 11.Qc4H Kf6H 12.Qc7H
                               Ke6H 13.Qe7+H Kd5H 14.Qd7+H Kc4H 15.Qd3+H Kc5H
                               16.Qd5+H Kb6H 17.Qc6+H Ka5H 18.Qb5+H Kxb5H {HT}
                               {80}
   9587954   6.119  Mat24 13t  1.h8=Q+ Kb3 2.Qxa1 Kb4 3.Qa2H Kb5H 4.Qxf7H Kc6H
                               5.Qd5+H Kc7H 6.Qc6+H Kd8H 7.Qd7+H Kxd7H {HT}
[...]
  44866623  27.820  Mat21 16t  1.h8=Q+ Kb3 2.Qxa1 Kb4 3.Kf5 Kc4 4.Kf6 Kd3
                               5.Kxf7 Kc4 6.Ke6 Kc5 7.Qd4+ Kc6 8.Qb6+ Kxb6
                               {HT} {80}

Above + "normal" complete 3/4/5 men TBs:

      3952   0.310   6.00  4.  1.h8=Q+ Ka2 2.Qxa1+ Kxa1 {INTREC} 3.f4 Kb1 4.f5
                               Kc2! 5.Kf4!! f6 6.Ke4!! Kd2 7.Kd5! Kd3 8.Ke6!
                               Kd4 9.Kxf6! Kd5! 10.Kg6 Ke5 11.f6! Ke6 12.f7!
                               Ke7 13.Kg7!! Kd7 14.f8=Q! Kc7! 15.Qf6 Kd7
                               16.Qb6 Ke7! 17.Qc6 Kd8 18.Qb7 Ke8 19.Kg6 Kd8!
                               20.Kf6! Ke8 21.Qe7# {1001}
      3986   0.420  Mat21  5++ 1.h8=Q+ Ka2 2.Qxa1+ {EGTB} 2...Kxa1! 3.f4 Kb1
                               4.f5 Kc2! 5.Kf4!! f6 6.Ke4!! Kd2 7.Kd5! Kd3
                               8.Ke6! Kd4 9.Kxf6! Kd5! 10.Kg6 Ke5 11.f6! Ke6
                               12.f7! Ke7 13.Kg7!! Kd7 14.f8=Q! Kc7! 15.Qf6
                               Kd7 16.Qb6 Ke7! 17.Qc6 Kd8 18.Qb7 Ke8 19.Kg6
                               Kd8! 20.Kf6! Ke8 21.Qe7# {1001}
      6781   0.430  Mat21  5t  1.h8=Q+ Ka2 2.Qxa1+ {EGTB} 2...Kxa1! 3.f4 Kb1
                               4.f5 Kc2! 5.Kf4!! f6 6.Ke4!! Kd2 7.Kd5! Kd3
                               8.Ke6! Kd4 9.Kxf6! Kd5! 10.Kg6 Ke5 11.f6! Ke6
                               12.f7! Ke7 13.Kg7!! Kd7 14.f8=Q! Kc7! 15.Qf6
                               Kd7 16.Qb6 Ke7! 17.Qc6 Kd8 18.Qb7 Ke8 19.Kg6
                               Kd8! 20.Kf6! Ke8 21.Qe7# {1001}3/4/5 TBs:



Regards,
Dieter




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