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Subject: Re: position

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 00:20:00 10/06/05

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On October 06, 2005 at 03:17:15, Lance Perkins wrote:

>On October 06, 2005 at 02:37:34, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On October 06, 2005 at 02:13:50, Lance Perkins wrote:
>>
>>>On October 05, 2005 at 21:03:11, Will Singleton wrote:
>>>
>>>>A comp played this move against my comp on ICC today, took less than 30 secs.
>>>>Can any program find it as fast?
>>>>
>>>>[d]3rn1k1/2qbrp1p/1p1ppnpQ/p5NP/1PP1P3/P1N4R/4BPP1/3R2K1 w - - bm Rdd3
>>>
>>>Need 42 secs...
>>>
>>>Thinker 5.0c on a 2.4ghz AMD
>>> 8      99   145    1347078 h5g6  f7g6  d1d2
>>> 8     105   186    1649244 h3h4  d7c6  e2g4  c7c8
>>> 9     108   848    7140678 f2f4  a5b4  a3b4  d7c6  e2g4
>>>10      96  1787   14663556 h5g6  f7g6  h3h4  d7c6  e2d3
>>>10      99  2037   16294503 h3h4  d7c6  d1d2  a5b4  h5g6
>>>10     162  4246   29903901 d1d3  d6d5  c4d5
>>
>>congratulations.
>>
>>42*2.4/2=50.4 seconds
>>
>>50.4*32=1608.3
>>
>>Thinker is more than 32 times faster than Fruit2.2 that still does not find it
>>after more than 35 minutes on my A3000(2ghz) after searching more than 1,300,000
>>Knodes
>>
>>If you can only be more than 32 times faster than Fruit2.2 in every position
>>then thinker may be more than 200 elo better than Fruit2.2
>>
>>Note that Fruit2.2's behaviour is interesring.
>>At depth 15 it seems to be hypnotized by Rd3
>>It cannot be convinced to play it but also cannot leave analyzing this move.
>>
>>Here is Fruit2.2's output(after 35 minutes of analysis)
>>
>>New game,
>>3rn1k1/2qbrp1p/1p1ppnpQ/p5NP/1PP1P3/P1N4R/4BPP1/3R2K1 w - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Fruit 2.2:
>>
>>1.hxg6 hxg6
>>  +-  (1.96)   Depth: 1/8   00:00:00
>>1.hxg6 fxg6 2.bxa5
>>  +-  (1.68)   Depth: 2/15   00:00:00
>>1.hxg6 fxg6 2.Rd2 axb4 3.axb4
>>  +-  (1.68)   Depth: 3/15   00:00:00
>>1.hxg6 fxg6 2.Rd2 Bc6 3.bxa5
>>  +-  (1.48)   Depth: 4/15   00:00:00
>>1.bxa5 bxa5 2.hxg6 fxg6 3.Nb5 Bxb5 4.cxb5
>>  +-  (1.57)   Depth: 4/16   00:00:00
>>1.Rd2 axb4 2.axb4 gxh5 3.Bxh5 Qxc4
>>  +-  (1.63)   Depth: 4/17   00:00:00
>>1.Rd2 Bc6 2.hxg6 fxg6 3.b5 Bb7
>>  +-  (1.59)   Depth: 5/23   00:00:00
>>1.Rd2 Bc6 2.Bd1 axb4 3.axb4 Ng7 4.hxg6 hxg6
>>  +-  (1.46)   Depth: 6/24   00:00:00  69kN
>>1.Rh4 Bc6 2.Bg4 axb4 3.axb4 Ng7 4.hxg6 hxg6
>>  +-  (1.53)   Depth: 6/26   00:00:00  156kN
>>1.b5 Ra8 2.Rdd3 gxh5 3.Rd2 e5
>>  +-  (1.58)   Depth: 6/26   00:00:00  219kN
>>1.b5 Rc8 2.hxg6 fxg6 3.Rd2 e5 4.Rh4 Qb7
>>  +-  (1.48)   Depth: 7/26   00:00:01  329kN
>>1.b5 Rc8 2.Rh4 Qb7 3.Rd2 e5 4.Nd5 Nxd5 5.Qxh7+ Kf8 6.Rxd5
>>  +-  (1.45)   Depth: 8/30   00:00:01  683kN
>>1.Rh4 Qa7 2.b5 Rc8 3.Rd2 e5 4.Nd5 Nxd5 5.Qxh7+ Kf8 6.Rxd5
>>  +-  (1.49)   Depth: 8/30   00:00:01  921kN
>>1.Rh4 Qa7 2.b5 Rc8 3.Rd2 Qb7 4.hxg6 fxg6 5.Rh3 e5
>>  +-  (1.49)   Depth: 9/32   00:00:03  1859kN
>>1.Rh4 Qa7 2.b5 Rc8 3.Rd2 Qb7 4.a4 e5 5.Nd5 Nxd5 6.Qxh7+ Kf8 7.Rxd5
>>  +-  (1.45)   Depth: 10/40   00:00:06  3295kN
>>1.Rh4 Qa7 2.b5 Rc8 3.Rd2 Qb7 4.a4 Rc5 5.hxg6 fxg6 6.Rh3 e5
>>  +-  (1.41)   Depth: 11/40   00:00:12  7239kN
>>1.Bd3 axb4 2.axb4 Bc6 3.Bc2 Qc8 4.Bb3 Nc7 5.Rf3 Nce8 6.Ra1 Rc7
>>  +-  (1.57)   Depth: 11/40   00:00:30  17310kN
>>1.Bd3 axb4 2.axb4 Bc6 3.Bc2 Qc8 4.Bb3 Nc7 5.Rf3 Nce8 6.Ra1 Rc7 7.hxg6 hxg6
>>  +-  (1.57)   Depth: 12/42   00:00:34  20005kN
>>1.Bd3 axb4 2.axb4 Bc6 3.Bc2 Bb7 4.e5 dxe5 5.Rxd8 Qxd8 6.Nxh7 Nxh7 7.hxg6 fxg6
>>8.Qxg6+ Rg7 9.Qxe6+ Kf8 10.Rxh7 Rxg2+ 11.Kf1
>>  +-  (1.81)   Depth: 13/46   00:00:52  31002kN
>>1.Bd3 axb4 2.axb4 Bc6 3.Bc2 Bb7 4.e5 dxe5 5.Rxd8 Qxd8 6.Nxh7 Nxh7 7.hxg6 fxg6
>>8.Qxg6+ Rg7 9.Qxe6+ Kf8 10.Rxh7 Rxg2+ 11.Kf1
>>  +-  (1.81)   Depth: 14/50   00:01:10  42884kN
>>1.Bd3 axb4 2.axb4 Bc6 3.Bc2 Bb7 4.e5 dxe5 5.Rxd8 Qxd8 6.Nxh7 Nxh7 7.hxg6 fxg6
>>8.Qxg6+ Rg7 9.Qxe6+ Kf8 10.Rxh7 Rxg2+ 11.Kf1
>>  +-  (1.81)   Depth: 15/52   00:01:48  67203kN
>>
>>(,  06.10.2005)
>>
>>
>>Uri
>
>I think you got the computation incorrectly. Thinker is not 32 times faster than
>Fruit. In the Thinker output, you can see that it only does something like
>700Knps, while in your output, Fruit does around 600Knps.
>
>Thinker does: 4246 29903901, which is 29903901 nodes in 42.46 secs.
>Fruit does: 00:01:48 67203kN, which is 67203000 nodes in 108 secs.

It is clearly more than 32 times faster not in nodes per second but in finding
the move Rd3

Uri



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