Author: Andreas Guettinger
Date: 11:04:34 10/06/05
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On October 06, 2005 at 11:52:05, Will Singleton wrote: >On October 06, 2005 at 10:23:07, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On October 06, 2005 at 05:26:16, Bruce Moreland wrote: >> >>>On October 06, 2005 at 04:10:32, Andreas Guettinger wrote: >>> >>>>On October 05, 2005 at 21:03:11, Will Singleton wrote: >>>> >>>>>A comp played this move against my comp on ICC today, took less than 30 secs. >>>>>Can any program find it as fast? >>>>> >>>>>[d]3rn1k1/2qbrp1p/1p1ppnpQ/p5NP/1PP1P3/P1N4R/4BPP1/3R2K1 w - - bm Rdd3 >>>> >>>>Hiarcs 9.6 UCI plays f4 here. 21s on Mac 400 Mhz. >>>>I think f4 followed by f5 wins on the spot: f4 Rb8 f5 exf5 Nd5! Qd8 c5! or f4 >>>>Bc6 f5 exf5 exf5 Qd7 hxg6 fxg6 >>>> >>>> >>>>5 +4.13 bxa5 bxa5 hxg6 fxg6 e5 dxe5 Bd3 (1.68) >>>> 6 +3.81 bxa5 (3.07) >>>> 6 +3.67 bxa5 bxa5 hxg6 fxg6 (3.37) >>>> 6 +3.72 hxg6 (3.43) >>>> 6 +3.72 hxg6 fxg6 (4.01) >>>> 6 +3.73 f4 (4.24) >>>> 6 +3.82 f4 Bc6 Rd4 Rc8 (4.53) >>>> 6 +3.83 Rhd3 (5.04) >>>> 6 +3.84 Rhd3 Rc8 Rf3 Bc6 Rf4 d5 (5.36) >>>> 6 +3.85 Rf3 (6.50) >>>> 6 +4.09 Rf3 Bc6 hxg6 fxg6 b5 Bb7 Rxf6 Nxf6 (6.70) >>>> 7 +4.02 Rf3 Bc6 Bd3 axb4 axb4 Ra8 Bc2 (8.27) >>>> 8 +3.87 Rf3 Bc6 Kh1 d5 exd5 exd5 hxg6 fxg6 Rxf6 Nxf6 (18.75) >>>> 8 +3.88 f4 (21.80) >>>> 8 +4.30 f4 Rc8 f5 axb4 axb4 gxf5 exf5 d5 fxe6 fxe6 (29.15) >>>> 9 +4.32 f4 axb4 axb4 Bc6 f5 exf5 exf5 (59.51) >>>>10 +4.64 f4 (159.09) >>>>10 +4.64 f4 Bc6 f5 exf5 exf5 Qd7 fxg6 fxg6 hxg6 (169.23) >>>>11 +4.89 f4 Rb8 f5 exf5 Nd5 Qd8 Rf1 Bc6 hxg6 fxg6 (541.13) >>>>12 +4.99 f4 Bc6 f5 exf5 exf5 Qd7 hxg6 fxg6 fxg6 (1570.23) >>> >>>If this is the complete line it's not very convincing. If a high score is all >>>that it takes to earn respect, I'll have mine display +3 on every move. >>> >>>The move is probably good, but there is not +5 in the line. >>> >>>bruce >> >>I think that the position is a bad test position because there are many winning >>moves. >> >>I guess that f4 is one of the moves that leads to forced mate if you search deep >>enough. >> > >You have to show the line if you think f4 or other moves are equivalent or >better, not just speculate. My analysis shows that Rdd3 d5 Nxh7 is about 3 >pawns better than, for example, f4 b5 f5. The fact that white will win is >likely true, but that doesn't mean Rdd3 isn't the best move. > >Will I agree that Rdd3 wins as easily. From a human point of view f4-f5 was very convincing, because moves like (Rdd3) d5?! make not much sense, but seems to be a necessity. Hiarcs gives for Rdd3 +6 too. Unfortunately, blacks position is lost. What is strange is that Hiarcs gives +4 from the spot without seeing a material gain. regards Andy
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