Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 16:51:47 10/06/05
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On October 06, 2005 at 19:35:23, Roger D Davis wrote: >On October 06, 2005 at 11:53:05, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>He may be dismissing computer chess too lightly, but I've watched players on ICC >>who were NOT GMs and obtain winning positions against these "silicon brutes", >>and often they're losses are on time. The games were 15/0 or small time >>increments. These favour machines, still I've seen them burn but escape due to >>the bell. >> >>There are people here who do in fact beat programs, and we know this to be >>true. >> >>Anand never took the matches between Kramnik and Fritz too seriously or Kasparov >>matches with Deep Junior or Deep Fritz. If you really look at those games, you >>can see both Kramnik and Kasparov dominating these beasts, but for what ever >>reason they messed up in even and also won positions, more than once. >>So those matches don't mean as much as you think. Sure the machines were strong, >>but in no way better than either of these grandmasters. >> >>Hydra is the only _real_ exception, and even here, GM Nichols with a computer >>was beating it at corr. GM Topolov had it beat and let it slip to a draw. >>There's a stronger ver. now but I suspect a top GM on a good day who plays >>computers often, could win a game, even a match, but I suspect after GM Adams >>poor performance we might not see such an event. What a shame. >> >>Machines are NOT completely dominating the top humans or very experienced >>computer players, at least not yet. Say what you will, but the losses are often >>due to oversights that make the machines look better than the actually are. >> >>That's my two cents. >> >>Terry > >Maybe humans should be allowed to take back an oversight when they play >computers. At least 1 oversight per game. More than that and they deserve to >lose. > >Roger You are joking yes? Well that would really favour the grandmasters;-) I also think their egos wouldn't let them accept these terms. Terry
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