Author: chandler yergin
Date: 17:02:19 10/11/05
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On October 11, 2005 at 19:43:16, Dann Corbit wrote: >On October 11, 2005 at 17:46:02, chandler yergin wrote: > >>I apologize if I have offended anyone. >>A case of "Apples & Oranges" again.. >>Misunderstandings.. >>Stephen, and a few others here, know I seldom voice "Opinions"; >>I Post facts.. >>That way... if someone differs from the Post, they should attack the Fact, >>not the Poster. >>It doesn't always work that way... >>Everything I have Posted about Computer Chess Programs..I gave the Link >>Everything else I have Posted about Engines, Analysis Modules, is directly >>from the Chessbase Manual. It therefore refers to the Top Commercial >>Programs only.. Fritz, & Shredder >>Many of you that Program your own Engines 'tweak' them as you desire, >>and have a lot of fun. >>Players mostly use the Top Commercial Programs to assist in their play >>and improve their expertise. >>Thanks to a recent Post by Dan H. some of the confusion has been cleared up. >>Chessbase does use Mini/Max and so does indeed search every legal move >>for every position. > >There is absolutely, postively no way on God's green earth that ChessBase is >using mini/max to search anything. Why do you say that? Fritz gets to over 15 ply almost instantly. > >We would see a branching factor of around 20 and a 15 ply search would take >years to finish. Please let's settle this. Give me a FEN for any Position OK? I will clip the analysis copy the game present Diagrams..You are denying what Chessbase is all about. > >I suppose you could consider alpha/beta as a variant of mini/max (but that's >like calling Andy Green's "Thrust SSC" a fast bicycle.) > >Any engine that uses pure mini/max is going to be unfathomably lame. >Even engines using pure alpha/beta will get the stuffings stomped out of them by >pruning engines. > >The ChessBase engines do not use mini/max or even pure alpha/beta. Where ever >you got your information from was wrong. Even if it was from the ChessBase web >site it is wrong. No It's from Chessbase 7.0 Manual. If Amir Ban, Frans Morsch, Mark Uniacke, Christophe Theron, >and SMK all came to you personally, promised that they use nothing but mini/max >on a written document and signed it with their own blood -- it's still wrong. > >>So the "Apples & Oranges" now are just the difference between the Top >>Commercial Programs and the others. >>I find it very intersting that some of the 'lesser' Engines are really >>kicking Butt! Congrats to all! Keep it up... >>A Swift Kick only hurts for a little while.. >>;) >>Chan Do us all a favor Dann. Please ask/write/phone/E-mail, whatever method you prefer. Ask Chessbase about this. Would you do that for us? Thank You, Chan
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