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Subject: Re: Short doesn't know about Fruit ?

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 09:16:38 10/12/05

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On October 12, 2005 at 04:35:38, Joachim Rang wrote:

>On October 12, 2005 at 03:52:51, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On October 12, 2005 at 01:27:26, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On October 12, 2005 at 01:10:39, Martin Andersen2 wrote:
>>>
>>>>From Chessbase:
>>>>
>>>>" This afternoon I have been given the latest analytical aid, Fritz 9, which, it
>>>>is claimed, is around 100 Elo points stronger than the previous version. If
>>>>true, it is a giant leap for siliconkind"
>>>>
>>>>Of course if Fritz 9 is 100 Elo points stronger than Fritz 8, it should be at
>>>>2883 (SSDF), and probably better than Fruit. But how likely is this based
>>>>on preliminary tests ?
>>
>>Fruit2.1 is at the same level of Fritz8 bilbao
>>Most customers probably do not have Fritz8 bilbao and Fruit2.1 is probably
>>slightly better than Fritz8.
>>
>>Fruit2.2 is 50-100 elo better than Fruit2.1 so it make sense to think that
>>Fruit2.2 is 100 elo better than Fritz8
>>
>>Fritz9 is near the level of Fruit2.2 based on CEGT results so I see nothing
>>wrong with the claim.
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Martin.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2676
>>>
>>>Not surprising.  I guess that the Fruit advertizing budget is $0.00 and Fritz at
>>>least a few hundred thousand.
>>
>>When I told in the israeli chess forum that Fruit2.2 is 50-100 elo better than
>>Fruit2.1 then one of the response was that not a lot of people will pay 35$ for
>>the minor improvement from Fruit2.1 to Fruit2.2
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>Hi,
>
>That is interesting. In fact it shows very well the reasoning of the average
>customer. It is not illogically after all, although we freaks all know that
>50-100 Elo is a great difference in an engine.

For the price of a nice lunch you can get what might be the best chess analysis
engine in the world.  Fabien's time should be worth at least $150/hour [guessing
1700 hours total time invested] and so I guess that you are getting a quarter of
a million dollars worth of work for $35, which is something of a bargain.

If you really need the best answer to a particular chess problem (e.g. you are
studying an opening for novelties, you want to analyze a position for
correspondence chess, etc.) then the price seems small to me.



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