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Subject: Re: Another Toga 1.0 blunder (blitz game)

Author: chandler yergin

Date: 23:23:30 10/12/05

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On October 13, 2005 at 00:10:46, Uri Blass wrote:

>On October 12, 2005 at 23:56:37, Aloisio Ponti Lopes wrote:
>
>>[D] 2r2bk1/2rn1bpp/2nN1p2/p1Pp4/B2p4/P4N1P/3B1PP1/2RR2K1 b - - 0 29
>>
>>wKg1,Nd6,f3,Ba4,d2,Rc1,d1,Pa3,c5,f2,g2,h3/bKg8,Nc6,d7,Bf7,f8,Rc7,c8,Pa5,d4,d5,f6,g7,h7
>>
>>This is alson an internet game against another computer.
>>In this position Shredder picks very quickly 29... Nxc5 and evals equality.
>>Surprisinly Toga 1.0 played 29....Nde5 and lost the game in the endgame (bishop
>>x rook with pawns for both sides).
>>
>>When I open Toga 1.0 analysing with FritzGUI I get this:
>>
>>New game,
>>2r2bk1/2rn1bpp/2nN1p2/p1Pp4/B2p4/P4N1P/3B1PP1/2RR2K1 b - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Toga II 1.0:
>>
>>29...Nxc5 30.Nxc8 Nxa4
>>  µ  (-0.76)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
>>29...Nxc5 30.Nxc8 Nxa4
>>  µ  (-0.76)   Depth: 2/14   00:00:00
>>29...Nxc5 30.Nxc8 Nxa4
>>  µ  (-0.76)   Depth: 2/14   00:00:00
>>29...Nxc5 30.Nxc8 Nxa4
>>  µ  (-0.76)   Depth: 2/14   00:00:00
>>29...Nxc5 30.Nxc8 Nxa4
>>  µ  (-0.76)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
>>29...Nxc5 30.Nxc8 Nxa4 31.Nxd4
>>  ²  (0.48)   Depth: 4/18   00:00:00
>>29...Ra8 30.Nxf7 Kxf7 31.Bf4 Nde5 32.Nxd4 Nxd4 33.Rxd4 Rxc5 34.Rxc5 Bxc5 35.Rxd5
>>  =  (0.14)   Depth: 4/18   00:00:00
>>29...Ra8 30.Nxf7 Kxf7 31.Bf4 Nde5 32.Nxd4 Nxd4 33.Rxd4 Rxc5 34.Rxc5 Bxc5 35.Rxd5
>>  =  (0.14)   Depth: 5/18   00:00:00
>>29...Ra8 30.Nxf7 Kxf7 31.Bf4 Nde5 32.Nxd4 Nxd4 33.Rxd4 Rxc5 34.Rxc5 Bxc5 35.Rxd5
>>  =  (0.14)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00  40kN
>>29...Nxc5 30.Nxc8 Nxa4 31.Nxd4 Bc5 32.Nxc6 Rxc6
>>  =  (-0.13)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00  49kN
>>29...Nxc5 30.Nxc8 Nxa4 31.Nxd4 Nc5 32.Nxc6 Rxc6 33.Na7
>>  =  (-0.08)   Depth: 7/19   00:00:00  69kN
>>29...Nxc5 30.Nxc8 Nxa4 31.Nxd4 Nc5 32.Nxc6 Rxc6 33.Na7 Rc7
>>  =  (-0.08)   Depth: 8/19   00:00:00  103kN
>>29...Nxc5 30.Nxc8 Nxa4 31.Nxd4 Be8 32.Na7 Rxa7 33.Nxc6 Bxc6 34.Rxc6 Bxa3
>>  =  (0.09)   Depth: 9/20   00:00:00  183kN
>>29...Nde5 30.Nxc8 Rxc8 31.Nxe5 Nxe5 32.Kf1 Nc4 33.Bf4 Bxc5 34.Bd7 Rd8
>>  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 9/24   00:00:00  556kN
>>29...Nde5 30.Nxc8 Rxc8 31.Nxe5 Nxe5 32.Bb5 Nc4 33.c6 Bxa3 34.Ra1 Bh5 35.Re1
>>  =  (0.03)   Depth: 10/24   00:00:00  881kN
>>29...Nde5 30.Nxc8 Rxc8 31.Nxe5 Nxe5 32.Bb5 Nc4 33.c6 Bxa3 34.Ra1 Bb2 35.Rxa5
>>Nxa5 36.Bxa5 Bc3
>>  =  (-0.07)   Depth: 11/24   00:00:01  1591kN
>>29...Nde5 30.Nxc8 Rxc8 31.Nxe5 Nxe5 32.Bb5 Nc4 33.c6 Bxa3 34.Ra1 Bc5 35.Bxa5 Be8
>>36.Bxc4 dxc4
>>  =  (0.09)   Depth: 12/25   00:00:02  2838kN
>>29...Nde5 30.Nxc8 Rxc8 31.Bxc6 Nxf3+ 32.gxf3 Rxc6 33.Bxa5 Rxc5 34.Bb4 Rxc1
>>35.Rxc1 Be6 36.Kg2 d3 37.Rc7 d4
>>  =  (-0.03)   Depth: 13/29   00:00:06  6189kN
>>29...Nde5 30.Nxc8 Rxc8 31.Bxc6 Nxf3+ 32.gxf3 Rxc6 33.Bxa5 Rxc5 34.Bb4 Rxc1
>>35.Rxc1 Be6 36.Kg2 d3 37.Rc7 d4 38.Kg3
>>  =  (0.01)   Depth: 14/31   00:00:09  9755kN
>>29...Nde5 30.Nxc8 Rxc8 31.Bxc6 Nxf3+ 32.gxf3 Rxc6 33.Bxa5 Rxc5 34.Rxc5 Bxc5
>>35.Bb4 Ba7 36.Rc1 Be6 37.Rc7 Bb8 38.Re7 Bf7
>>  =  (0.08)   Depth: 15/32   00:00:16  16792kN
>>29...Nde5 30.Nxc8 Rxc8 31.Bxc6 Nxf3+ 32.gxf3 Rxc6 33.Bxa5 Rxc5 34.Rxc5 Bxc5
>>35.Bb4 Ba7 36.Rc1 Be6 37.Rc7 Bb8 38.Re7 Bf7 39.a4
>>  ²  (0.36)   Depth: 16/32   00:00:29  30260kN
>>29...Nxc5 30.Nxc8 Nxa4 31.Nxd4 Nb2 32.Re1 Nc4 33.Nxc6 Rxc6 34.Ne7+ Bxe7 35.Rxe7
>>Re6 36.Rxe6 Bxe6 37.Bc3 a4 38.Re1 Kf7 39.Bb4
>>  ²  (0.30)   Depth: 16/32   00:00:37  38175kN
>>29...Ra8 30.Nxf7 Kxf7 31.Bf4 Nce5 32.Bb3 Nxf3+ 33.Kf1 Rxc5 34.Rxc5 Nxc5 35.Bxd5+
>>Ne6 36.Bxa8 Nxf4 37.Bxf3 Bc5 38.Be4 g6 39.Ke1
>>  =  (0.21)   Depth: 16/38   00:01:27  88817kN
>>---------------------------------------
>>
>>Well it seems to me that Shredder's middlegame knowledge is superior than
>>Fruit-Toga's knowledge... am I wrong?
>>
>>A. Ponti

  It was the best move of the 3 main choices.
New game,
[D]2r2bk1/2rn1bpp/2nN1p2/p1Pp4/B2p4/P4N1P/3B1PP1/2RR2K1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 8:

1. ± (0.78): 1...Nxc5 2.Nxc8 Nxa4 3.Nxd4 Be8 4.Nxc6 Bxc6 5.Nb6 Nxb6 6.Bxa5 Bxa3
7.Bxb6
2. ± (1.36): 1...Rd8 2.Bxc6 Rxc6 3.Bxa5 Ra8 4.Bb4 Nxc5 5.Nxf7 Kxf7 6.Rxd4 Rd8
7.Rcd1 Rcc8 8.Rxd5
3. ± (1.39): 1...Ra8 2.Nxf7 Nxc5 3.Bf4 Nxa4 4.Bxc7 Nc3 5.Nd6 Ra7 6.Nb5 Nxb5
7.Bb6 Nc3 8.Bxa7 Nxa7 9.Re1

(,  12.10.2005)

>
>It is wrong to get that conclusion from a single position.
>It seems that Shredder has bigger evaluation for exchange advantage.
>
>sometimes it help shredder to play better but sometimes it is the opposite
>
>please see the following position
>
>Fruit had no problem to find the exchange sacrifice when Shredder or Fritz have
>problems.
>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?454193
>
>Uri



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