Author: Uri Blass
Date: 22:58:18 10/18/05
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On October 19, 2005 at 01:52:54, chandler yergin wrote: >On October 19, 2005 at 01:25:28, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On October 19, 2005 at 01:22:08, chandler yergin wrote: >> >>>On October 19, 2005 at 01:03:11, chandler yergin wrote: >>> >>>>On October 18, 2005 at 18:37:24, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 18, 2005 at 16:15:01, chandler yergin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 18, 2005 at 15:44:02, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On October 18, 2005 at 15:09:40, chandler yergin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On October 18, 2005 at 15:02:20, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On October 18, 2005 at 14:49:41, chandler yergin wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On October 18, 2005 at 12:11:56, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>[D]1n1r3k/1p1n4/2p5/8/3B4/8/4K3/R7 b - - 0 1 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Analysis by Fritz 9: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>5...Se5 6.Lc3 b5 7.Ta7 Kg8 8.Tc7 Te8 >>>>>>>>>>> ³ (-0.34) Depth: 7/19 00:00:00 72kN >>>>>>>>>>>5...Se5 6.Lc3 b5 7.Ta8 Kh7 8.Ta5 Sd3 9.Ke3 >>>>>>>>>>> ³ (-0.37) Depth: 8/19 00:00:00 169kN >>>>>>>>>>>5...Se5 6.Lc5 b5 7.Le7 Te8 8.Lf6+ Kh7 9.Kd2 Sbd7 10.Th1+ Kg6 >>>>>>>>>>> ³ (-0.38) Depth: 9/28 00:00:00 490kN >>>>>>>>>>>5...Se5 6.Lc3 b5 7.Tb1 Kh7 8.La1 Sa6 9.Lc3 Kg6 10.Th1 >>>>>>>>>>> ³ (-0.38) Depth: 10/26 00:00:00 1234kN >>>>>>>>>>>5...Se5 6.Lc3 b5 7.Ta7 Sa6 8.Kf1 c5 9.Ke2 Kg8 10.Tb7 Sc7 >>>>>>>>>>> ³ (-0.38) Depth: 11/29 00:00:01 2285kN >>>>>>>>>>>5...Se5 6.Lc3 b5 7.Th1+ Kg8 8.Tb1 Td3 9.La1 Sbd7 10.Tb4 Kf7 11.Lb2 >>>>>>>>>>> ³ (-0.40) Depth: 12/30 00:00:04 6291kN >>>>>>>>>>>5...Se5 6.Lc3 b5 7.Th1+ Kg8 8.Tb1 Kf7 9.La5 Td3 10.Lc7 Sbd7 11.Tb4 Kg6 >>>>>>>>>>> ³ (-0.41) Depth: 13/40 00:00:11 15607kN >>>>>>>>>>>5...Se5 6.Lc3 b5 7.Th1+ Kg8 8.Tb1 Kf7 9.Tf1+ Ke6 >>>>>>>>>>> ³ (-0.43) Depth: 14/38 00:00:30 42044kN >>>>>>>>>>>5...Se5 6.Lc3 b5 7.Th1+ Kg8 8.Tb1 Kf7 9.Tf1+ Ke6 >>>>>>>>>>> ³ (-0.43) Depth: 14/46 00:01:27 121127kN >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>This is not supposed to be the Giveaway chess engine :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>It's not, and it's not a Bug. >>>>>>>>>>Right click in your analysis window, you will get a menu >>>>>>>>>>One of the selections is 'scroll main line' >>>>>>>>>>If this is checkmarked you will get what you posted. >>>>>>>>>>Click on 'scroll main line again', this deactivates it, and you will see the >>>>>>>>>>normal PV Analysis. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>The problem is that Fritz9 choose Ne5 that is a stupid move that gives a piece >>>>>>>>>for nothing and I do not see what it has to do with scroll main line. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Please do as I have noted, and then Post result. >>>>>>>>With Scroll activated, it continues to scroll the main PV and is not overwritten >>>>>>>>with better lines. If the main PV selected at the time, >>>>>>>>was Se5, it will continue to scroll that in depth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I do not have Fritz9 so I cannot do it but I expect every good program to never >>>>>>>choose that move(except maybe first iteration when it still did not look at all >>>>>>>legal moves) but Fritz does not show first iteration information. >>> >>> >>>New game >>>[D]1n1r3k/1p1n4/2p5/8/3B4/8/4K3/R7 b - - 0 1 >>> >>>Analysis by Fritz 5.32: >>> >>>1. -+ (-4.69): 1...Kg8 2.Rh1 Re8+ 3.Kd3 Ne5+ 4.Bxe5 Rxe5 5.Ra1 Rd5+ 6.Kc2 >>>2. -+ (-4.63): 1...Kh7 2.Rh1+ Kg6 3.Rh8 Nf8 4.Bb6 Re8+ 5.Kd3 Nbd7 6.Bc7 >>>3. µ (-0.97): 1...Ne5 2.Bxe5+ Kg8 3.Ra8 Re8 4.Kd3 Rxe5 5.Rxb8+ Kf7 6.Rxb7+ >>> >>>(, MyTown 18.10.2005) >> >>This only proves that Fritz5.32 does not have the bug. > >All the Fritz engines work the same way.. Shredder included. They use similiar algorithm but evaluation is different. The bug seems to be bug in the evaluation of Fritz9 and not bug in the evaluation of other engines. > >>The bug is specific for Fritz9 engine that fails to evaluate Kg8 or Kh7 as -+ > >You have a 'user' that has a complaint, out of how many millions that use >this product? > >> >>Uri > The Fritz9 Engines per se.. do not have this bug. I explained how >and what this problem is. Also how to correct it. Can you show me analysis with Fritz9 that show more than +3 pawns for black in the relevant position or even more than +1 for black? Of course you can do it with Fritz5.32 because Fritz5.32 does not have the bug Uri
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