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Subject: Re: Interesting test position

Author: John Merlino

Date: 09:44:55 10/20/05

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On October 20, 2005 at 11:46:34, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>Here is the PGN for a blitz game Crafty played on ICC (ignore the pgn headers, I
>fabricated them when annotating the game, I believe the game was a 5 0 blitz).
>
>[Event "?"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "2005.10.18"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Crafty 20.1"]
>[WhiteElo ""]
>[Black "unknown"]
>[BlackElo ""]
>[Result "*"]
>
>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Bg5 c5 5. d5 h6 6. Bh4 Bxc3+
>7. bxc3 d6 8. e3 e5 9. Bd3 e4 10. Bc2 Qe7 11. Bxf6 Qxf6 12. Ne2
>Qe5 13. Qb1 Nd7 14. Bxe4 O-O 15. Bd3 Nf6 16. Qc2 a6 17. a4 Bg4
>18. Rb1 b5 19. axb5 axb5 20. Rxb5 Bxe2 21. Kxe2 Rfe8 22. h3
>Nh5 23. Kd2 Qg5 24. Rg1 Qf6 25. Rf1 Qe5 26. Rb7 Nf6 27. Rbb1
>Qh2 28. Rg1 Nd7 29. Rbf1 Ne5 30. Ke2 Nxd3 31. Kxd3 Qe5 32. Kd2
>Qf6 33. f4 Ra3 34. Re1 Qd8 35. Re2 Qa5 36. Rb1 Ra4 37. Kd3 f6
>38. Rb5 Qa6 39. Qb3 Ra3 40. Qb2 Ra4 41. e4 Kh7 42. Qc2 Kg8 43. Qb3
>Ra3 44. Qb2 Ra4 45. Qc2 Kh8 46. Qb3 Ra3 47. Qb2 Ra4 48. Qb3
>Ra3 49. Qb2 Ra4 50. h4 h5 51. f5 Kh7 52. Qb1 Ra1 53. Rb6 Qa5
>54. Qb3 Ra3 55. Rb5 Qa6 56. Qc2 Ra1 57. Rb1 Kh8 58. Ree1 Ra2
>59. Qd1 Kg8 60. Qxh5 Ra8 61. Qg4 Ra4 62. e5 dxe5 63. Qe4 Ra3
>64. Rb5 Qa4 65. d6 Ra2 66. Rc1 Rf2 67. Rxc5 Qa2 68. Qe1 Rd8
>69. Ke3 Rxg2 70. Rd1 Rh2 71. Rd2 Rh3+ 72. Ke4 Qa8+ 73. Rdd5
>Rxd6 74. Qb1 Rxd5 75. Rxd5 Qc8 76. Qb5 Rxh4+ 77. Ke3 Qxf5 78. Rd8+
>Kh7 79. Qb3 Qf4+ 80. Kd3 Rh2 81. Rh8+ Kxh8 82. Qd1 e4+ 83. Kd4
>Qd6+ 84. Ke3 Qxd1 85. Kxe4 Rf2 86. c5 *
>
>
>The interesting stuff starts around move 65.  White played d6 with an eval of
>+3.20.  Let your program search there to see what it likes.  The longer you
>search, the more the score should drop.
>
>If it doesn't follow the game another move and try again.  Crafty's scores
>looked like this:
>
>move 66:  +3.15, 67: +2.41, 68: +1.59, 69: +.62, 70: 0.00, 71: -.39, 72: 0.00,
>73: 0.00, 74: -1.33, 75: -2.76, 76: -2.75, 77: -12.0, 78: -13.66, etc.
>
>I first thought I had some sort of bug, but after playing back through the
>position, this is less a bug and more just missing deep tactics.  Would be
>interesting to see what kinds of scores at different depths other programs see
>starting at move 66...

At move 65, CM9_R1 on a P4-2.4 likes d6 only between 1 and 11 seconds -- after
that it switches to Rc1, and eventually Reb1 with a good score:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/4	2.10	12311		65.Rc1 Ra1 66.Rxa1 Qxa1 67.Qe2 Ra2
0:00	1/5	2.00	19324		65.Rc1 Ra2 66.d6 Qa3 67.Qd5+ Kh7
					68.Rf1
0:00	1/6	1.98	46313		65.Rc1 Ra2 66.d6 Qa3 67.Qd5+ Kh7
					68.Rc2
0:00	1/7	1.86	111561		65.Rc1 Ra2 66.d6 Kh7 67.Rxc5 Qa3
					68.Qe3 Rxg2
0:01	1/7	1.97	230224		65.d6 Ra2 66.Rc1 Rd8 67.Qd5+ Kh7
					68.g4 Qa3 69.Rc2 e4+ 70.Kd2
0:02	1/8	1.90	511510		65.d6 Ra2 66.Rc1 Rd8 67.Qd5+ Kh7
					68.Rxc5 Qd7 69.g4 Qxd6 70.Qxd6
					Rxd6+ 71.Ke3
0:07	1/9	1.76	1510755		65.d6 Ra2 66.Rc1 Rf2 67.Ke3 Rf4
					68.Qd5+ Kh7 69.Rxc5 Qa3 70.Rc2 Rxh4
0:11	1/9	1.93	2350849		65.Rc1 Ra1 66.Rxa1 Qxa1 67.Qe2
					Re8 68.h5 e4+ 69.Kd2 e3+ 70.Kd3 Qa7
0:17	1/10	1.83	3830527		65.Rc1 Ra1 66.Rxa1 Qxa1 67.Qe2
					Re8 68.Kc2 Ra8 69.Rb2 Re8 70.Rb7 e4
0:36	1/10	2.18	7797126		65.Reb1 Ra2 66.R1b3 Re8 67.Rb7
					Re7 68.Rb8+ Re8 69.Rxe8+ Qxe8 70.d6
					Kf8 71.Rb7 Qa4
1:06	1/11	2.36	14374356	65.Reb1 Ra1 66.Qg4 Rxb1 67.Rxb1
					Qa7 68.Qe2 Re8 69.Ke4 Ra8 70.g4
					Qc7 71.Kd3
1:50	1/12	2.26	24381826	65.Reb1 Ra1 66.Qg4 Rxb1 67.Rxb1
					Qa7 68.Qe2 Re8 69.Qh5 Rd8 70.Qf3
					Rd7 71.Rb5

Here's what I get after forcing each pair of moves (analysis provided for moves
on which The King disagrees with the move played):

65.d6 Ra2 (+1.48 at depth 11, +0.88 at 12 -- agrees with Rc1)

66.Rc1 Rf2 (+1.5 at depth 11, +1.48 at 12 -- wants Ke3)
Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	2.26	2703		67.Ke3 Rf4 68.Qd5+ Kh7 69.Rxc5 Rxh4
0:00	1/4	2.26	6605		67.Ke3 Rf4 68.Qd5+ Kh7 69.Rxc5 Rxh4
0:00	1/5	2.61	17824		67.Ke3 Rf4 68.Qd5+ Kh7 69.Rxc5
					Rxh4 70.Rc7
0:00	1/6	1.76	79263		67.Ke3 Rf4 68.Qd5+ Kh7 69.Rxc5
					Qa3 70.Rc2 Rxh4
0:00	1/7	1.93	155162		67.Ke3 Qa2 68.Qxa8+ Qxa8 69.Kxf2
					Qe4 70.Ra1 Qxf5+ 71.Kg1 Qd3
0:01	1/8	1.81	346542		67.Ke3 Rf4 68.Qd5+ Kh7 69.Rxc5
					Qa3 70.Rd1 Rxf5 71.Ke2 Rb8
0:04	1/9	1.74	1017780		67.Ke3 Rf4 68.Qd5+ Kh7 69.Rxc5
					Qa3 70.Rd1 Qxc3+ 71.Qd3 Qb2 72.Rd2
					Qa1
0:15	1/10	1.58	3036554		67.Ke3 Rf4 68.Qd5+ Kh7 69.g3 Rxc4
					70.Rxc5 Rxc5 71.Qxc5 Qg4 72.Qd5
					Rd8 73.Kf2 Qxf5+ 74.Kg1
0:30	1/11	1.50	6378080		67.Ke3 Rf4 68.Qd5+ Kh7 69.g3 Rxc4
					70.Rxc5 Rxc5 71.Qxc5 Qg4 72.Qc6
					Rd8 73.Rg1 Qxf5 74.Rd1
1:14	1/12	1.48	15876152	67.Ke3 Rf4 68.Qd5+ Kh7 69.g3 Rxc4
					70.Rxc5 Rxc5 71.Qxc5 Rd8 72.Qb6
					Qd7 73.c4 Qxd6 74.Qxd6 Rxd6 75.c5
					Rc6

67.Rxc5 Qa2 (-0.3 at depth 11, agrees with Qe1)

68.Qe1 Rd8 (-0.81 at depth 11, agrees with Ke3)

...and it's pretty much all downhill from there. Let me know if you need more.

jm



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