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Subject: Re: Deep Blue and Fruit 2.2 understand the e pawn , Shredder 9 does not

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 16:09:05 10/21/05

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On October 21, 2005 at 18:44:42, K. Burcham wrote:

>
>Taken from a recently posted game by Robert Flesher.
>
>Deep Blue, Fruit 2.2, and Shredder 9 UCI block the e pawn by playing Be4.
>In this position Shredder 9 UCI played 41.Bf5, freeing the e pawn to advance.
>We have shown that Deep Blue and Fruit 2.2 outplay todays Shredder 9 on strong
>hardware.


I think that Deep blue never got that position so we do not know what deep blue
know or does not know.

Deep blue is dead and I do not understand the need to speculate about it when
nobody has deep blue to check it.

I can add that on strong hardware Shredder has no problem to see that 41.Bf5 is
wrong

Even on my slow A3000(no parallel search and only 2ghz) Shredder can see that
41.Bf5 is bad in few minutes.

Shredder 9 UCI - Fruit 2.2, 60 Minutes/Game 2005
[D]3R4/5pk1/5q2/1pp1p1p1/p1b1B1P1/P1P2P1p/1PP4P/3R2K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 9 UCI:

41.f4
  -+  (-1.75)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
41.f4
  µ  (-0.95)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
41.R1d7
  ±  (0.91)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
41.R1d7
  ±  (0.91)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
41.R1d7 Be2
  ±  (0.93)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:00
41.R1d7 Be2
  ²  (0.68)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
41.R1d7 Be6 42.Rd6
  ²  (0.68)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
41.R1d6
  ±  (0.81)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
41.R1d6 Qf4 42.R6d7
  ±  (0.81)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
41.R1d6 Qf4
  ²  (0.56)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
41.R1d6 Qf4 42.Rd2 f6
  ²  (0.49)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
41.Bb7
  ²  (0.52)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
41.Bb7 Qf4 42.Rg8+
  ²  (0.63)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
41.Bf5
  ²  (0.69)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
41.Bf5 Qc6 42.Kf2 f6
  ²  (0.69)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
41.Bf5 Qc6
  ±  (0.94)   Depth: 5/11   00:00:00
41.Bf5 Qc6 42.Kf2 f6 43.R1d7+ Bf7
  ±  (0.96)   Depth: 5/11   00:00:00
41.Bf5 Qc6 42.Kf2 f6 43.R1d7+ Bf7 44.Ke2
  ±  (0.93)   Depth: 6/11   00:00:00  9kN
41.Bf5 Qh6 42.Kf2 Qh4+ 43.Ke3 Qh6 44.R1d7 Kf6
  ±  (0.96)   Depth: 7/16   00:00:00  21kN
41.Bf5 Qh6 42.Kf2 Qh4+ 43.Ke3 Qh6 44.R1d7 Qc6 45.Kf2
  ±  (1.13)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:00  36kN
41.Bf5 Qh6 42.Kf2 Qh4+ 43.Ke3 Qh6 44.Rc8 Qb6 45.Rdd8 f6
  ±  (0.97)   Depth: 9/16   00:00:01  61kN
41.Bf5 Qh6 42.Kf2 Qh4+ 43.Ke3 Qh6 44.Rc8 Qb6 45.Rdd8 f6 46.Kd2
  ±  (1.14)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:01  96kN
41.Bf5 Qh6 42.Kf2 Qh4+ 43.Ke3 Qh6 44.R8d7 Qh8 45.R1d6 Qh4 46.Rg6+ Kf8 47.Rgd6
  ±  (1.25)   Depth: 11/20   00:00:02  179kN
41.Bf5 Qh6 42.Kf2 Be6 43.Bxe6 Qxe6 44.R8d5
  +-  (1.49)   Depth: 12/23   00:00:03  344kN
41.Bf5 Qh6 42.Kf2 b4 43.cxb4
  +-  (1.62)   Depth: 13/28   00:00:04  675kN
41.Bf5 Qh6
  ±  (1.37)   Depth: 14/30   00:00:06  1073kN
41.Bf5 Qh6 42.Rc8 Be2 43.Re1 Bxf3 44.Rxc5 f6 45.Rxb5 Kf7 46.Ra5 Qh4 47.Ra7+ Kf8
48.Re3
  ±  (1.27)   Depth: 14/30   00:00:06  1552kN
41.Bf5 Qh6
  ±  (1.02)   Depth: 15/30   00:00:07  2358kN
41.Bf5 Qh6 42.Rc8 Qh4 43.Rxc5
  ±  (1.02)   Depth: 15/30   00:00:07  2558kN
41.Bf5 Qh6 42.Rc8 Be2 43.Re1 Bxf3 44.Rxc5 Qb6 45.Rexe5 Qa7 46.Kf2 f6 47.Kxf3
fxe5 48.Rxe5 Qg1
  ±  (0.97)   Depth: 16/30   00:00:09  4247kN
41.Bf5 Qh6 42.Rc8 Be2 43.Re1 Bxf3 44.Rxc5 Qb6 45.Rexe5 Qa7 46.Kf2 f6 47.Kxf3
fxe5 48.Rxe5 Qg1 49.Bd3
  ±  (0.97)   Depth: 17/30   00:00:11  6570kN
41.Bf5 Qh6 42.R8d7 Be2 43.Re1 Bxf3 44.Rxe5 Bc6 45.Re6 Qh4 46.Rc7 Bd5 47.Re8 c4
48.Ree7 Kf6 49.Rcd7 Qh6
  ±  (1.16)   Depth: 18/39   00:00:20  12761kN
41.Bf5 Qh6
  ±  (0.91)   Depth: 19/39   00:00:29  18608kN
41.Bf5 Qh6 42.R8d6
  ±  (0.91)   Depth: 19/39   00:00:35  22272kN
41.Bf5 Be6 42.R1d6 e4 43.R8d7 Kh8 44.Rxf7 Qxf7 45.Rxe6 Kg7 46.fxe4 Kf8 47.Rb6
Qa2 48.Rxb5
  ±  (0.72)   Depth: 20/39   00:01:10  46374kN
41.Bf5 e4 42.fxe4 Qe7 43.R8d7
  ²  (0.49)   Depth: 21/42   00:02:08  85518kN
41.Bf5 e4
  =  (0.24)   Depth: 22/42   00:03:39  145908kN
41.Bf5 e4 42.fxe4 b4 43.axb4 cxb4 44.R8d4 bxc3 45.bxc3 Qe5 46.Rxc4 Qf4 47.Rcd4
Qe3+ 48.Kf1 Qf3+ 49.Ke1 Qe3+ 50.Kf1 Qf3+ 51.Ke1 Qe3+ 52.Kf1
  =  (-0.04)   Depth: 22/53   00:04:45  187534kN
41.R8d6
  =  (-0.03)   Depth: 22/53   00:05:34  219316kN
41.R8d6 Qf4 42.Re1 Be6 43.Rd3 Kf6 44.Bc6 Qc4 45.Ra1 Ke7
  =  (-0.01)   Depth: 22/53   00:05:54  232558kN

(,  22.10.2005)

Uri



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