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Subject: Re: a simple position (some engines for Fritz including crafty cannot solve)

Author: blass uri

Date: 12:44:56 03/14/99

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On March 14, 1999 at 14:15:26, Jeroen van Dorp wrote:

>Buy Fritz5.32 and your problems are over :-)
>Fritz 5.32 found it in less than two seconds
>
>New position
>R4b1q/5Pp1/Pk4Pp/3K3P/7P/8/8/8 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Fritz 5.32 (at 12 ply):
>
>+- (8.25): 1.a7 Kb7 2.Tc8 Kxa7 3.Kc6 Ld6 4.Txh8 Lb4 5.Tg8
>= (0.00): 1.Ke6 Kc7 2.Kd5 Kb6
>= (0.00): 1.Ke4 Kc7 2.Kd5
>
>(van Dorp, Utrecht 14-3-99)
>
>New position
>R4b1q/5Pp1/Pk4Pp/3K3P/7P/8/8/8 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Fritz 5.32 (at 17 ply) it didn't change anymore:
>
>+- (9.59): 1.a7
>= (0.00): 1.Ke6 Kc7 2.Kd5 Kb6
>= (0.00): 1.Ke4 Kc7 2.Kd5
>
>(van Dorp, Utrecht 14-3-99)
>
>
>Jeroen ;-}
I noticed some strange things about Fritz:

1)Fritz5.32 cannot see mate in 8 even at 17 plies.
2)Fritz5(16 bit) can see mate in 7 if I give it 3 options at 13 plies.
If I give it 1 option then it cannot see the mate even at depth 19
3)if I give Fritz5(16 bit) the all study and  not only this simple position then
it cannot find evaluation more than 0.00

The all study:
1R3b2/5ppQ/6Pp/6PP/R6P/P7/7K/2q1k3 w - - 0 1

1.Rb1 Qxb1 2.gxf7 Qxh7 3.g6 Qh8 4.Re4+ Kd2 5.Re8 Kc3 6.Kg2 Kc4 7.a4 Kc5 8.a5 Kc6
9.a6 Kb6 10.Ra8 Kc7 11.Kf3 Kb6 12.Ke4 Kc7 13.Kd5 Kb6 14.a7 Kb7 15.Re8 Kxa7
16.Kc6

If I give Fritz5(16 bit) only the position before 16.Kc6 then the evaluation of
Fritz5(16 bit) is:
1.75/13,1.44/14,1.13/15, 0.81/16, 0.50/17,0.19/18 0.50/19 0.19/20 0.50/21

If I give the game the evaluation is different

2.22/14, 1.91/15,1.59/16,1.28/17,0.97/18,0.66/19,0.34/20

There is no reson for that because the last move was a capture so the position
cannot repeat twice.

Uri



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