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Subject: Re: Nightmare position 25

Author: Joachim Rang

Date: 12:26:30 10/26/05

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On October 26, 2005 at 14:46:22, Dieter Buerssner wrote:

>The nightmare positions can be found here:
>http://www.beepworld.de/members38/eigenmann/nightmare.htm
>
>[D] 6R1/4p3/B2p4/P7/4P3/p3n3/1n6/4K2k w - -
>
>This is a very deep position. Yace cannot find Rc8 in 10 hours. The analysis
>given by Walter:
>
>[Event "Pervakov 1984"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "????.??.??"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Nightmare Nr.025"]
>[Black "?"]
>[Result "*"]
>[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
>[SetUp "1"]
>[FEN "6R1/4p3/B2p4/P7/4P3/p3n3/1n6/4K2k w - - 0 1"]
>[PlyCount "15"]
>[Source "Walter Eigenman"]
>[SourceDate "2005.09.30"]
>
>1. Rc8 $18 a2 (1... Kg2 2. Rc1 a2 3. Kd2 $18) 2. Rc1 a1=Q 3. Rxa1 Nc2+ 4. Kf2+
>Nxa1 5. Bb5 Nd1+ 6. Kg3 Nc3 7. Bc6 Ne2+ 8. Kh4 $18 *
>
>
>Is the position at the end of the main line a forced win for white?
>
>[D] 8/4p3/2Bp4/P7/4P2K/8/4n3/n6k b - - 7 8
>
>Yace seems not to be able to win from here with white.
>
>Regards,
>Dieter


I'm not sure if it is a win either. White can promote tha a-pawn and play with
the queen against two knights but I don't see how white can make progress.


[Event "Pervakov 1984"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.10.26"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Nightmare Nr.025"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "6R1/4p3/B2p4/P7/4P3/p3n3/1n6/4K2k w - -"]

1. Rc8 $18 a2 (1... Kg2 2. Rc1 a2 3. Kd2 $18) 2. Rc1 a1=Q
3. Rxa1 Nc2+ 4. Kf2+ Nxa1 5. Bb5 Nd1+ 6. Kg3 Nc3 7. Bc6
Ne2+ 8. Kh4 $18 Nd4 9. Bd7 Nf3+ 10. Kh5 Nb3 11. a6 Nc5
12. a7 Nxd7 13. a8=Q Kg2 *



Q7/3np3/3p4/7K/4P3/5n2/6k1/8 w - -

Engine: Fruit 2.2.1 (128 MB)
by Fabien Letouzey

1/05   0:00   +2.29    14.Qg8+ Kf2 (132)

2/08   0:00   +2.19    14.Qg8+ Kf2 15.Qa2+ Ke3 16.Qa7+ Nc5
                       17.Qxe7 Nxe4 (266)

2/09   0:00   +2.29    14.Qa2+ Kg3 15.Qg8+ Kf2 (373)

2/09   0:00   +2.46    14.Qb7 Nfe5 (411)

3/09   0:00   +2.42    14.Qb7 Nfe5 15.Kg5 (549)

4/10   0:00   +2.40    14.Qb7 Nfe5 15.Kg5 Nc5 (1.306)

4/14   0:00   +2.44    14.Kg4 Nfe5+ 15.Kf4 Nc5 16.Qg8+ Kf2
                       17.Qa2+ Ke1 (2.236)

5/14   0:00   +2.49    14.Kg4 Nfe5+ 15.Kf4 Nc5 16.Qg8+ Kf2
                       17.Qg3+ Ke2 18.Qe3+ Kd1 (3.193)

6/16   0:00   +2.49    14.Kg4 Nfe5+ 15.Kf4 Nc5 16.Qg8+ Kf2
                       17.Qg3+ Ke2 18.Qe3+ Kd1 (6.234)

6/18   0:00   +2.60    14.Qd8 Nf6+ 15.Kg6 Nxe4 16.Qxe7 Nfd2
                       17.Kf5 (10.155)

7/18   0:00   +2.67    14.Qd8 Nf6+ 15.Kg6 Nxe4 16.Qxe7 Nfd2
                       17.Kf5 d5 (11.973)

8/18   0:00   +2.59    14.Qd8 Nf6+ 15.Kg6 Nxe4 16.Qxe7 Nfd2
                       17.Qe6 Kf3 18.Qf5+ Ke3 (13.557)

9/22   0:00   +2.47    14.Qd8 Nf6+ 15.Kg6 Nxe4 16.Qxe7 d5
                       17.Kf5 Kf2 18.Qa7+ Kg3 19.Qc7+ Kf2 (46.012)

9/22   0:00   +2.50    14.Kg4 Nfe5+ 15.Kf4 Nc5 16.Qg8+ Kf2
                       17.Qa2+ Ke1 18.Qc2 e6 19.Qc1+ Ke2
                       20.Qe3+ Kd1 (74.069)

10/25  0:00   +2.54    14.Kg4 Nfe5+ 15.Kf4 Kf2 16.Qa2+ Ke1
                       17.Qg2 Nc5 18.Ke3 Nc4+ 19.Kd4 Ne5
                       20.Qg3+ Ke2 21.Qe3+ Kd1 (266.730) TB:1

10/25  0:00   +2.61    14.Qd8 Nf6+ 15.Kg6 Nxe4 16.Qxe7 Nfd2
                       17.Qf7 Nc3 18.Kg5 Nde4+ 19.Kg4 Nf2+
                       20.Kf5 (271.477) TB:1

11/26  0:00   +2.64    14.Qd8 Nf6+ 15.Kg6 Nxe4 16.Qxe7 Nfd2
                       17.Qf7 Nc3 18.Kg5 d5 19.Qg7 Nde4+
                       20.Kf4+ Kf2 21.Qd4+ Ke2 (450.950) TB:1

12/28  0:00   +2.66    14.Qd8 Nf6+ 15.Kg6 Nxe4 16.Qxe7 Nfd2
                       17.Qf7 Kg3 18.Kf5 Kf3 19.Qb7 Ke3
                       20.Qb6+ Kd3 (946.238) TB:1

13/28  0:00   +2.64    14.Qd8 Nf6+ 15.Kg6 Nxe4 16.Qxe7 Nfd2
                       17.Qf7 Nb1 18.Kf5 Nbc3 19.Kf4 Kf2
                       20.Qg7 d5 21.Qd4+ Ke2 (960.423) TB:2

14/32  0:02   +2.66    14.Qd8 Nf6+ 15.Kg6 Nxe4 16.Qxe7 Nfd2
                       17.Qf7 Kg3 18.Qf5 Kg2 19.Kf7 Kg3
                       20.Ke7 Kh4 21.Qf4+ Kh5 (3.956.077) 1416 TB:6

15/32  0:02   +2.68    14.Qd8 Nf6+ 15.Kg6 Nxe4 16.Qxe7 Nfd2
                       17.Qf7 Nc3 18.Qf4 Nde4 19.Kf5 d5
                       20.Ke5 Ng3 21.Qd2+ Nge2 22.Qg5+ Kf3
                       23.Qf5+ Ke3 (4.033.615) 1414 TB:9

16/32  0:02   +2.65    14.Qd8 Nf6+ 15.Kg6 Nxe4 16.Qxe7 Nfd2
                       17.Qf7 Nc3 18.Qf4 Nde4 19.Kf5 d5
                       20.Ke5 Ng3 21.Qd2+ Nge2 22.Qd3 d4 (4.033.975) 1388 TB:13

17/37  0:05   +2.41    14.Qd8 Nf6+ 15.Kg6 Nxe4 16.Qxe7 d5
                       17.Kf5 Neg5 18.Qb7 d4 19.Qb2+ Kg3
                       20.Qb3 Kf2 21.Qd3 Kg3 22.Qc4 Kf2
                       23.Kf4 (6.765.023) 1348 TB:267

17/39  0:11   +2.44    14.Kg4 Nfe5+ 15.Kf4 Kf2 16.Qa2+ Ke1
                       17.Ke3 Ng4+ 18.Kd4 Nc5 19.Qa7 Ne5
                       20.Kd5 Ned7 21.Qa1+ Ke2 22.Qb2+ Kd3
                       23.Qb1+ Kd2 24.Qb4+ Kc2 25.Qc4+ Kd2
                       26.Kd4 (15.214.722) 1379 TB:391

18/40  0:35   +2.44    14.Kg4 Nde5+ 15.Kf4 Ng6+ 16.Ke3 Nfe5
                       17.Qa2+ Kh3 18.Qb1 Kh4 19.Qc1 Ng4+
                       20.Ke2 N4e5 21.Qf1 Kg3 22.Qf2+ Kh3
                       23.Qf5+ Kh4 24.Ke3 Ng4+ 25.Kd2 N4e5
                       26.Ke2 (49.198.639) 1385 TB:936

19/40  0:46   +2.44    14.Kg4 Nde5+ 15.Kf4 Ng6+ 16.Ke3 Nfe5
                       17.Qa2+ Kh3 18.Qb1 Kh4 19.Qc1 Ng4+
                       20.Ke2 N4e5 21.Qf1 Ng4 22.Qf7 N4e5
                       23.Qf5 e6 24.Qf6+ Kg3 25.Qg5+ Kh3
                       26.Qd2 (62.369.830) 1335 TB:1.803

20/42  1:05   +2.44    14.Kg4 Nde5+ 15.Kf4 Ng6+ 16.Ke3 Nfe5
                       17.Qa2+ Kh3 18.Qb1 Kh4 19.Qc1 Ng4+
                       20.Ke2 N4e5 21.Qf1 Kg4 22.Ke3 Kg5
                       23.Qf5+ Kh6 24.Kd4 Kg7 25.Kc3 Nc6
                       26.Qd7 (86.141.531) 1327 TB:3.329

21/42  1:38   +2.44    14.Kg4 Nde5+ 15.Kf4 Ng6+ 16.Ke3 Nfe5
                       17.Qa2+ Kh3 18.Qb1 Kh4 19.Qc1 Ng4+
                       20.Ke2 N4e5 21.Qf1 Kg5 22.Qf5+ Kh6
                       23.Ke3 Kg7 24.Qe6 Nc6 25.Kd2 Nd4
                       26.Qd7 Nf3+ 27.Ke3 (126.849.695) 1289
                       TB:7.097

22/44  2:25   +2.44    14.Kg4 Nde5+ 15.Kf4 Ng6+ 16.Ke3 Nfe5
                       17.Qa2+ Kh3 18.Qb1 Kh4 19.Qc1 Ng4+
                       20.Ke2 N4e5 21.Qf1 Kg5 22.Qf5+ Kh6
                       23.Ke3 Kg7 24.Qe6 Nc6 25.Qg4 Kf6
                       26.Qf3+ Kg7 27.Qg2 (185.745.407) 1275
                       TB:12.188

23/48  3:49   +2.44    14.Kg4 Nde5+ 15.Kf4 Ng6+ 16.Ke3 Nfe5
                       17.Qa2+ Kh3 18.Qb1 Kh4 19.Qc1 Ng4+
                       20.Ke2 N4e5 21.Kd2 Kg5 22.Ke3 Kh4
                       23.Ke2 Kg4 24.Qc8+ Kg3 25.Ke3 Ng4+
                       26.Kd2 N6e5 27.Qe6 (294.970.707) 1284
                       TB:19.491

24/52  6:34   +2.44    14.Kg4 Nde5+ 15.Kf4 Ng6+ 16.Ke3 Nfe5
                       17.Qa2+ Kh3 18.Qb1 Kh4 19.Qc1 Ng4+
                       20.Ke2 N4e5 21.Kd2 Kg5 22.Ke3 Kh4
                       23.Ke2 Kg4 24.Qc8+ Kg5 25.Qf5+ Kh6
                       26.Kd2 Kg7 27.Kc3 (507.573.901) 1287
                       TB:32.108

best move: Kh5-g4 time: 11:58.875 min  n/s: 1.314.832  CPU 100.0%   n/s(1CPU):
1.314.832  nodes: 945.200.000 TB: 50.344

Joachim



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