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Subject: Re: Games 14-16: Fruit 2.2 - Deep Junior 9; long TC; two fast computers

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 19:23:35 10/26/05

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On October 26, 2005 at 16:10:20, Peter Kasinski wrote:

>On October 26, 2005 at 12:22:31, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On October 26, 2005 at 11:30:44, Sedat wrote:
>>
>>>On October 26, 2005 at 11:09:20, Peter Kasinski wrote:
>>>
>>>>- Match of 24 games
>>>>- Fruit 2.2: FX-55 2.6 GHz; 512 Mb hash
>>>>- Deep Junior 9: Athlon 64 X2 4600+ 2.4GHz Dual Core; 1408Mb hash
>>>>- Fruit using Shredder GUI and its own book
>>>>- Junior with 3,4,5 and 138Gb of 6-man tablebases
>>>>- Time Control: 40 in 120, 20 in 60, rest in 30
>>>>
>>>>Game 14: Fruit wins
>>>>Game 15: draw
>>>>Game 16: Junior wins (first of the match)
>>>>
>>>>Fruit leads 11.0 - 5.0 (+7 -1 =8) and needs 1.5 points from 8 to take the match.
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello Peter,
>>>
>>>Thanks a lot for the update...
>>>
>>>I love to join and watch such interesting matches on super fast computers !!
>>>
>>>I see that Deep Junior 9 uses both cores and even this processor addvantage does
>>>not help to DJ9 !!
>>>
>>>Best,
>>>Sedat
>>
>>I am not sure if the use of 1408 Mbytes is an advantage for Junior.
>>
>>Note that programs usually are not tested in these conditions and
>>I doubt if Amir has so much hash to use in his tests so it is possible that
>>Junior is weaker from too much hash tables.
>>I remember that Junior blundered by avoiding Rxe6 in one of the games and it is
>>possible that using too much hash was one of the reasons for that.
>>
>>Uri
>
>Junior's middlegame NPS is typically 3 to 4 million on this hardware.
>During WCC it ran on a 4-way Opteron at (presumably) twice the speed. Given
>that, the suggested detrimental effect of large hash tables would seem like an
>inexcusable deficiency to me. Of course, this is just a conjecture. The
>unfortunate 31.Qe5? could have been caused by another problem altogether.
>
>PK
>
>PS. Come to think of it: would you happen to know what Amir's tournament setting
>for Junior's hash table size would be?

No
I think that the best is simply to send an email to Amir Ban about it.

his email
Amir Ban <amirban@netvision.net.il>

Uri



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