Author: ALI MIRAFZALI
Date: 09:22:07 10/31/05
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On October 31, 2005 at 11:40:26, Terry McCracken wrote: >On October 31, 2005 at 08:12:14, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On October 31, 2005 at 08:03:31, Richard Heldmann wrote: >> >>>Hypothetically speaking(don't wish to offend), are programs like Fruit, Shredder >>>and Fritz running on a standard PC(3 Ghz), IM, GM or SGM class? >>> >>>Is the list of chess programs much larger than the three I mention? >> >>The list of chess programs is clearly larger than the three that you mention >> >>Humans are simply weak at chess and based on results even old ChessTiger14 got >>good super GM results on slower hardware than 3 ghz. >> >>Uri > >Humans who aren't serious players may be weak at chess, not IM, GM, & SGM Class, >players that's silly and insulting. > >Top programs are tactically more efficient, hence their good results. However, >their are some brilliant tacticians that give computers a very hard time. >Players who haven't an IM title still beat chess programs, when their tactics >are strong enough. When they've played game after game with top programs the >scale tips! > >Hydra is the only computer that has done exceptionally well against humans >outside of corr. and I think there are SGM players that could draw Hydra in a >match, even win if well prepared. > >You must take into account no SGM can study for a single game against Hydra, or >have access to this beast to practice. Adams really played badly against it and >hasn't been in top form either lately. Look at the WCC..ugh. >Any top program can get wins off the SGM class, but it has been demonstrated >that a well prepared GM barring stupid mistakes is the better player, IE, >Kramnik and Kasparov. > >Adams wasn't prepared to play Hydra, so he looked terrible in his match. >This result is deceiving. > >No one can just jump in and play such a strong machine without preparation and >practice. > >Terry > >P.S. To answer Richard's question, a computer on fast hardware, and 3ghz is very >fast, is tactically more aware than any SGM but the SGM and lesser classes can >adapt and find weaknesses. No program has 100th the knowledge of a IM, let alone >a SGM. This all a bunch of excuses for humans.I mean the fact that the GMs are not prepared.Proof : The result of Bilbao clearly shows that the Man vs Machine Debate is over for good.Need I mention that the Current World Champion Topalov lost to Fritz in that event at 40 moves in 2 hours ;while the program was running on an ordinary notebook computer? But Fritz is popular and I am sure that Topalov had a Copy and had Prepared for it.In Fact all the 2700 + GMs in Bilbao were very prepared ;but they Lost!If Humans do not like this maybe they should take up a new game.Like tic tac tao maybe?!
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