Author: Uri Blass
Date: 09:23:58 10/31/05
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On October 31, 2005 at 12:22:07, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: >On October 31, 2005 at 11:40:26, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On October 31, 2005 at 08:12:14, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On October 31, 2005 at 08:03:31, Richard Heldmann wrote: >>> >>>>Hypothetically speaking(don't wish to offend), are programs like Fruit, Shredder >>>>and Fritz running on a standard PC(3 Ghz), IM, GM or SGM class? >>>> >>>>Is the list of chess programs much larger than the three I mention? >>> >>>The list of chess programs is clearly larger than the three that you mention >>> >>>Humans are simply weak at chess and based on results even old ChessTiger14 got >>>good super GM results on slower hardware than 3 ghz. >>> >>>Uri >> >>Humans who aren't serious players may be weak at chess, not IM, GM, & SGM Class, >>players that's silly and insulting. >> >>Top programs are tactically more efficient, hence their good results. However, >>their are some brilliant tacticians that give computers a very hard time. >>Players who haven't an IM title still beat chess programs, when their tactics >>are strong enough. When they've played game after game with top programs the >>scale tips! >> >>Hydra is the only computer that has done exceptionally well against humans >>outside of corr. and I think there are SGM players that could draw Hydra in a >>match, even win if well prepared. >> >>You must take into account no SGM can study for a single game against Hydra, or >>have access to this beast to practice. Adams really played badly against it and >>hasn't been in top form either lately. Look at the WCC..ugh. >>Any top program can get wins off the SGM class, but it has been demonstrated >>that a well prepared GM barring stupid mistakes is the better player, IE, >>Kramnik and Kasparov. >> >>Adams wasn't prepared to play Hydra, so he looked terrible in his match. >>This result is deceiving. >> >>No one can just jump in and play such a strong machine without preparation and >>practice. >> >>Terry >> >>P.S. To answer Richard's question, a computer on fast hardware, and 3ghz is very >>fast, is tactically more aware than any SGM but the SGM and lesser classes can >>adapt and find weaknesses. No program has 100th the knowledge of a IM, let alone >>a SGM. >This all a bunch of excuses for humans.I mean the fact that the GMs are not >prepared.Proof : The result of Bilbao clearly shows that the Man vs Machine >Debate is over for good.Need I mention that the Current World Champion Topalov >lost to Fritz in that event at 40 moves in 2 hours ;while the program was >running on an ordinary notebook computer? But Fritz is popular and I am sure >that Topalov had a Copy and had Prepared for it.In Fact all the 2700 + GMs in >Bilbao were very prepared ;but they Lost!If Humans do not like this maybe they >should take up a new game.Like tic tac tao maybe?! As far as I know Fritz8 bilbao was not available at that time but an older version of Fritz8. Uri
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