Author: Wayne Lowrance
Date: 12:46:00 10/31/05
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On October 31, 2005 at 11:53:36, Uri Blass wrote: >On October 31, 2005 at 11:32:26, Wayne Lowrance wrote: > >>On October 31, 2005 at 10:48:48, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On October 31, 2005 at 10:39:39, Jouni Uski wrote: >>> >>>>21: Qf1, Endtest >>>> >>>>[D]8/6pk/1p6/8/PP3p1p/5P2/4KP1q/3Q4 w - - 0 1 >>>> >>>>Analysis by Fruit 2.2.1: >>>> >>>>1.Qd3+ g6 >>>> = (-0.15) Depth: 1/5 00:00:00 >>>>1.Qd3+ Kh6 2.Qd6+ Kg5 3.Qxb6 >>>> ² (0.47) Depth: 2/7 00:00:00 >>>>1.Qc2+ Kh6 2.Qc6+ Kg5 3.Qb5+ Kf6 4.Qxb6+ Ke5 >>>> ² (0.66) Depth: 2/8 00:00:00 >>>>1.Qc2+ Kh6 2.Qc6+ g6 3.Qxb6 >>>> ± (0.72) Depth: 3/8 00:00:00 >>>>1.Qc2+ Kh6 2.Qc6+ g6 3.Qxb6 h3 >>>> ± (0.76) Depth: 4/11 00:00:00 >>>>1.Qc2+ Kh6 2.Qc6+ g6 3.Qxb6 h3 4.a5 >>>> ± (0.92) Depth: 5/11 00:00:00 >>>>1.Qc2+ Kh6 2.Qc6+ g6 3.Qxb6 h3 4.Qd4 Kh5 5.Qd5+ g5 >>>> ± (0.89) Depth: 6/16 00:00:00 5kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.bxa5 Qg2 4.Qxg2 hxg2 >>>> ± (1.31) Depth: 6/18 00:00:00 15kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.bxa5 Qg2 4.a6 Qh2 5.Qb1+ Kg8 >>>> ² (0.30) Depth: 7/18 00:00:00 16kN >>>>1.Qc2+ Kh6 2.a5 bxa5 3.bxa5 Qg1 4.Qc6+ Kh5 5.Qe8+ Kh6 6.Qh8+ Kg6 7.Qxh4 >>>> ± (0.99) Depth: 7/20 00:00:00 30kN >>>>1.Qc2+ Kh6 2.a5 bxa5 3.bxa5 Qg1 4.Qc6+ Kh5 5.Qe6 Qc1 6.Qg4+ Kh6 7.Qxh4+ Kg6 >>>>8.Qg4+ Kf6 >>>> ± (1.14) Depth: 8/21 00:00:00 72kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.bxa5 Qg2 4.a6 Qg5 5.Qxh3+ Kg8 6.Qe6+ Kf8 >>>> +- (1.94) Depth: 8/21 00:00:00 72kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.bxa5 Qg2 4.a6 Qg5 5.Qxh3+ Kg8 6.Qc8+ Kf7 7.Qd7+ Kf6 >>>> +- (1.99) Depth: 9/21 00:00:01 84kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.bxa5 Qg2 4.a6 Qg5 5.Qxh3+ Kg8 6.Qe6+ Kh7 7.Qe4+ Kg8 8.Qe8+ >>>>Kh7 >>>> +- (2.05) Depth: 10/22 00:00:01 116kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.bxa5 Qg2 4.a6 Qg5 5.Qxh3+ Kg8 6.Qe6+ Kh7 7.Qe4+ Kh6 8.a7 >>>>Qb5+ 9.Qd3 Qb2+ 10.Qd2 >>>> +- (2.50) Depth: 11/22 00:00:01 185kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.bxa5 Qg2 4.a6 Qg5 5.Qxh3+ Kg8 6.Qc8+ Kh7 7.Qb7 Qc5 8.a7 >>>>Qc2+ 9.Ke1 >>>> +- (2.42) Depth: 12/26 00:00:01 333kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.bxa5 Qg2 4.a6 Qg5 5.Qxh3+ Kg8 6.Qc8+ Kh7 7.Qb7 Qc5 8.a7 >>>>Qc4+ 9.Kd2 Qd4+ 10.Ke1 >>>> +- (2.49) Depth: 13/28 00:00:01 682kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.b5 Qg2 4.b6 Qg5 5.Qxh3+ Kg8 6.Qc8+ Kh7 7.b7 Qb5+ 8.Kd2 Qb4+ >>>>9.Kd3 Qb5+ 10.Ke4 Qb1+ 11.Kxf4 Qb4+ 12.Ke5 >>>> +- (2.51) Depth: 14/33 00:00:02 1470kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.bxa5 Qg2 4.a6 Qg5 5.Qxh3+ Kg8 6.Qc8+ Kh7 7.Qb7 Qc5 8.a7 >>>>Qc4+ 9.Kd2 Qd4+ 10.Ke1 Qc3+ 11.Kf1 Qd3+ 12.Kg2 Qg6+ 13.Kf1 >>>> +- (2.57) Depth: 15/33 00:00:04 3225kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.b5 Qg2 4.b6 Qg5 5.Qxh3+ Kg8 6.Qc8+ Kh7 7.b7 Qb5+ 8.Kd2 Qb4+ >>>>9.Kd3 Qb5+ 10.Ke4 Qb1+ 11.Ke5 Qa1+ 12.Kf5 Qb1+ 13.Kxf4 Qb4+ 14.Ke5 >>>> +- (2.51) Depth: 16/37 00:00:09 7311kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.b5 Qg2 4.b6 Qg5 5.Qxh3+ Kg8 6.Qd7 Qe5+ 7.Kf1 Kh8 8.Qc8+ Kh7 >>>>9.b7 Qb5+ 10.Kg2 Qg5+ 11.Kh2 Qh6+ 12.Qh3 a4 13.b8Q Qxh3+ 14.Kxh3 >>>> +- (7.90) Depth: 17/41 00:00:18 15268kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.b5 Qg2 4.b6 Qg5 5.Qxh3+ Kg8 6.Qd7 Qe5+ 7.Kf1 Kh8 8.b7 Kh7 >>>>9.Qc8 Qb5+ 10.Kg2 Qg5+ 11.Kh2 Qh6+ 12.Qh3 a4 13.b8Q Qxh3+ 14.Kxh3 >>>> +- (7.90) Depth: 18/41 00:00:23 19134kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.b5 Qg2 4.b6 Qg5 5.Qxh3+ Kg8 6.Qd7 Qe5+ 7.Kf1 Kh8 8.Qc8+ Kh7 >>>>9.b7 Qb5+ 10.Kg2 Qg5+ 11.Kh2 Qh6+ 12.Qh3 a4 13.Qxh6+ Kxh6 14.b8Q g5 15.Qd6+ Kg7 >>>> +- (8.24) Depth: 19/44 00:00:32 27305kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.b5 Qg2 4.b6 Qg5 5.Qxh3+ Kg8 6.Qd7 Qe5+ 7.Kf1 Kh8 8.b7 Kh7 >>>>9.Qh3+ Kg6 10.Qc8 Qb5+ 11.Kg2 a4 12.b8Q Qxb8 13.Qxb8 a3 14.Qd6+ Kf5 15.Qxa3 >>>> +- (9.22) Depth: 20/58 00:00:57 45775kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.b5 Qg2 4.b6 Qg5 5.Qxh3+ Kg8 6.Qd7 Qe5+ 7.Kf1 Kh8 8.b7 Kh7 >>>>9.Qh3+ Kg6 10.Qc8 Qb5+ 11.Kg2 a4 12.b8Q Qxb8 13.Qxb8 a3 14.Qd6+ Kf5 15.Qc5+ Ke6 >>>>16.Qxa3 >>>> +- (9.24) Depth: 21/58 00:01:13 56892kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.b5 Qg2 4.b6 Qg5 5.Qxh3+ Kg8 6.Qd7 Qe5+ 7.Kf1 Kh8 8.b7 Kh7 >>>>9.Kg2 Qg5+ 10.Qg4 Qb5 11.Qh3+ Kg6 12.Qc8 a4 13.b8Q Qxb8 14.Qxb8 a3 15.Qd6+ Kf5 >>>>16.Qxa3 >>>> +- (9.22) Depth: 22/58 00:01:21 62451kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.b5 Qg2 4.b6 Qg5 5.Qxh3+ Kg8 6.Qd7 Qe5+ 7.Kf1 Kh8 8.b7 Kh7 >>>>9.Kg2 Qg5+ 10.Qg4 Qb5 11.Qh3+ Kg6 12.Qc8 a4 13.b8Q Qxb8 14.Qxb8 a3 15.Qd6+ Kf5 >>>>16.Qc5+ Ke6 >>>> +- (9.24) Depth: 23/68 00:02:14 98917kN >>>>1.Qf1 h3 2.a5 bxa5 3.b5 Qg2 4.b6 Qg5 5.Qxh3+ Kg8 6.Qd7 Qe5+ 7.Kf1 Kh7 8.b7 a4 >>>>9.Qxa4 g6 10.Qd7+ Kh6 11.Qc8 Qb5+ 12.Kg2 Qg5+ 13.Kh2 Qe5 14.b8Q Qxb8 15.Qxb8 g5 >>>>16.Qd6+ Kg7 >>>> +- (9.68) Depth: 24/86 00:16:35 680670kN, tb=17 >>>> >>>>Jouni >>>> >>>>PS. Of course Fruit is new reference now >>> >>>It is certainly not a record. >>>I remember 120 ply search from fruit but unfortunately I do not remember where I >>>saved the analysis. >>> >>>The problem is that fruit has no partial extensions and it extends too much. >>> >>>A full ply both for check extension and for single reply extension seem to be >>>too much. >>> >>>Uri >> >>Excuse me uri, i don't wish to sound disrespectful, but your crique of fruit "it >>extends too much" doesnt play to well, with me at least. Fruit is more or less >>acknowledged as a top if not the top engine at the moment. Who are you to make >>this evaluation. Until Movie gets to that rung of the ladder you are best served >>to hold back and observe. >>Wayne > >Excuse me Wayne. >I am not disrespectful. > >The fact that fruit is so strong inspite of all of it's disadvantages only prove >that fabien is an excellent programmer. > >I talked with fabien by email about it and fabien also knows that fruit extends >too much but he prefers to concentrate on the evaluation first and implementing >partial extensions without bugs in fruit is not an easy task. > >Note that fabien implemented single reply extensions in fruit1.5 because >fruit1.5 had no king safety and he felt more secured with them. > >I know that Fabien even planned to remove single reply extensions later but his >last attempt failed (fruit scored less without them). > >Uri Uri I guess I am wrong. I mean no disrespect to you Uri, in fact quite the opposit. I usually select threads to read by the author, such as Dr Hyatt, Your self and few others. So I hold you in High esteem and have followed Movie right allong. I mostly felt compelled to defend Fabien. His star has risen so fast and it is really nice to see. I have two sons who make their Living from programs on internet so I am very partial to you folks. Wayne
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