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Subject: Re: Moderation please

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 05:48:31 11/01/05

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On November 01, 2005 at 08:16:47, Ryan B. wrote:

>On November 01, 2005 at 07:15:58, K. Burcham wrote:
>
>>On November 01, 2005 at 04:59:32, Ryan B. wrote:
>>
>>>On November 01, 2005 at 04:38:38, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>>>
>>>I beat Fruit 2.2 more often than I beat Prodeo.  In the human world of chess it
>>>takes a lot more than a few mobility factors and placing pieces in the center to
>>>have a positional style.  Fruit is a very good engine but it is better at
>>>beating computers than humans in my experiance.
>>>
>>>Ryan
>>
>>Another human claiming he can beat one of our top programs, without posted the
>>games. Doesnt the charter say that if you claim to beat the top programs, you
>>must post some of the games? I think the charter says it is ok not to post games
>>where human beat Diep or Movei.
>>
>>kburcham
>
>Wow at least give me some time to respond before calling for moderation.  I just
>said I have beaten Fruit, I did not claim to be better than it or that I am some
>sort of computer killer.  Anywhay here is a quick king safty win.


I expected to find long time when fruit believes that it is better because of
not understanding king safety but I did not find it.

Even at move 16
Fruit can find Rxc3 with a clear advantage for black

Fruit 2.2 - Ryan, Computer chess game 2005
[D]2rq1rk1/1b1nbpp1/pn1pp2p/1p5P/4P1P1/PNN1BP2/1PP2Q2/1K1R1B1R b - - 0 1

Analysis by Fruit 2.2.1:

16...Nc4
  ²  (0.53)   Depth: 1/6   00:00:00
16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4
  ²  (0.43)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Qg3
  =  (0.15)   Depth: 3/11   00:00:00
16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Bf4 Qc7
  ²  (0.34)   Depth: 4/15   00:00:00
16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 bxc4 18.Nd4 Ne5 19.Bf4
  =  (0.13)   Depth: 5/15   00:00:00
16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Bd4 Re8 19.Nd2 Rc7
  =  (0.17)   Depth: 6/16   00:00:00  29kN
16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Qg3 Qc7 19.Rd4 Ne5 20.Rxc4 Qxc4
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 7/16   00:00:00  70kN
16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Bd4 Re8 19.Nd2 Rc7 20.f4 Nc5
  =  (0.10)   Depth: 8/22   00:00:00  176kN
16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Rhg1 Bh4 19.Qg2 Qc7 20.Qh2 Be7 21.g5 hxg5 22.Bxg5
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 9/28   00:00:01  554kN
16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Rhg1 Re8 19.Rd4 d5 20.exd5 Bh4 21.Qh2 exd5
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 10/28   00:00:02  1103kN
16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Rhg1 Re8 19.Qg3 d5 20.exd5 exd5 21.Nxd5 Bxa3 22.Rge1
Ne5
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 11/35   00:00:04  2441kN
16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Rhg1 Re8 19.Bf4 d5 20.Qa7 Qa8 21.Qxa8 Bxa8 22.Na5 Rc5
23.exd5 Bxd5 24.Nxd5 Rxd5 25.Rxd5 exd5
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 12/35   00:00:07  4319kN
16...d5 17.exd5 Nxd5 18.Nxd5 Bxd5 19.Bd3 Qc7 20.Rhg1 Bxb3 21.cxb3 Bc5 22.Be4
Bxe3 23.Qxe3 Nc5 24.Ka2 Nxe4 25.Qxe4
  =  (-0.24)   Depth: 12/35   00:00:44  26407kN
16...d5 17.Bd2 Qc7 18.Bd3 Ne5 19.Na5 Nxd3 20.cxd3 b4 21.axb4 Bxb4 22.Nxb7 Qxb7
23.Rc1 e5 24.Be3
  ³  (-0.34)   Depth: 13/44   00:01:56  71132kN
16...d5 17.Bd2 Qc7 18.Na5 Ba8 19.Bd3 Nc5 20.Be3 Nxd3 21.Rxd3 Nd7 22.Nb3 Ne5
23.Rdd1 dxe4 24.Nxe4 Bxe4 25.fxe4 Nxg4
  ³  (-0.44)   Depth: 14/44   00:03:30  128347kN
16...d5 17.Bd2 Qc7 18.g5 hxg5 19.h6 gxh6 20.Rxh6 Kg7 21.Rh3 Rh8 22.Rg3 Rh5
23.exd5 Bxd5 24.Nd4 Nc4 25.Nxd5 Nxd2+ 26.Qxd2 exd5
  ³  (-0.44)   Depth: 15/44   00:05:28  198331kN
16...d5 17.Bd2 Qc7 18.g5 hxg5 19.h6 gxh6 20.Rxh6 Kg7 21.Rh3 Rh8 22.Rg3 Rh5 23.f4
dxe4 24.Be2 Rhh8 25.fxg5
  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 16/48   00:08:31  307331kN
16...Rxc3 17.bxc3 Na4 18.Bd2 Qc7 19.Bd3 Ne5 20.Ka2 Nxc3+ 21.Bxc3 Qxc3 22.Qd4 Qc7
23.Qe3 d5 24.Qf4 Bd6 25.Qe3 Qc3
  µ  (-0.71)   Depth: 16/50   00:12:32  462913kN

(,  01.11.2005)

Uri



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