Author: Günther Simon
Date: 06:25:37 11/01/05
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On November 01, 2005 at 08:56:39, Uri Blass wrote: >On November 01, 2005 at 08:48:31, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On November 01, 2005 at 08:16:47, Ryan B. wrote: >> >>>On November 01, 2005 at 07:15:58, K. Burcham wrote: >>> >>>>On November 01, 2005 at 04:59:32, Ryan B. wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 01, 2005 at 04:38:38, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>I beat Fruit 2.2 more often than I beat Prodeo. In the human world of chess it >>>>>takes a lot more than a few mobility factors and placing pieces in the center to >>>>>have a positional style. Fruit is a very good engine but it is better at >>>>>beating computers than humans in my experiance. >>>>> >>>>>Ryan >>>> >>>>Another human claiming he can beat one of our top programs, without posted the >>>>games. Doesnt the charter say that if you claim to beat the top programs, you >>>>must post some of the games? I think the charter says it is ok not to post games >>>>where human beat Diep or Movei. >>>> >>>>kburcham >>> >>>Wow at least give me some time to respond before calling for moderation. I just >>>said I have beaten Fruit, I did not claim to be better than it or that I am some >>>sort of computer killer. Anywhay here is a quick king safty win. >> >> >>I expected to find long time when fruit believes that it is better because of >>not understanding king safety but I did not find it. >> >>Even at move 16 >>Fruit can find Rxc3 with a clear advantage for black >> >>Fruit 2.2 - Ryan, Computer chess game 2005 >>[D]2rq1rk1/1b1nbpp1/pn1pp2p/1p5P/4P1P1/PNN1BP2/1PP2Q2/1K1R1B1R b - - 0 1 >> >>Analysis by Fruit 2.2.1: >> >>16...Nc4 >> ² (0.53) Depth: 1/6 00:00:00 >>16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 >> ² (0.43) Depth: 2/8 00:00:00 >>16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Qg3 >> = (0.15) Depth: 3/11 00:00:00 >>16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Bf4 Qc7 >> ² (0.34) Depth: 4/15 00:00:00 >>16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 bxc4 18.Nd4 Ne5 19.Bf4 >> = (0.13) Depth: 5/15 00:00:00 >>16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Bd4 Re8 19.Nd2 Rc7 >> = (0.17) Depth: 6/16 00:00:00 29kN >>16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Qg3 Qc7 19.Rd4 Ne5 20.Rxc4 Qxc4 >> = (0.09) Depth: 7/16 00:00:00 70kN >>16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Bd4 Re8 19.Nd2 Rc7 20.f4 Nc5 >> = (0.10) Depth: 8/22 00:00:00 176kN >>16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Rhg1 Bh4 19.Qg2 Qc7 20.Qh2 Be7 21.g5 hxg5 22.Bxg5 >> = (0.03) Depth: 9/28 00:00:01 554kN >>16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Rhg1 Re8 19.Rd4 d5 20.exd5 Bh4 21.Qh2 exd5 >> = (0.00) Depth: 10/28 00:00:02 1103kN >>16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Rhg1 Re8 19.Qg3 d5 20.exd5 exd5 21.Nxd5 Bxa3 22.Rge1 >>Ne5 >> = (0.03) Depth: 11/35 00:00:04 2441kN >>16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 Rxc4 18.Rhg1 Re8 19.Bf4 d5 20.Qa7 Qa8 21.Qxa8 Bxa8 22.Na5 Rc5 >>23.exd5 Bxd5 24.Nxd5 Rxd5 25.Rxd5 exd5 >> = (0.09) Depth: 12/35 00:00:07 4319kN >>16...d5 17.exd5 Nxd5 18.Nxd5 Bxd5 19.Bd3 Qc7 20.Rhg1 Bxb3 21.cxb3 Bc5 22.Be4 >>Bxe3 23.Qxe3 Nc5 24.Ka2 Nxe4 25.Qxe4 >> = (-0.24) Depth: 12/35 00:00:44 26407kN >>16...d5 17.Bd2 Qc7 18.Bd3 Ne5 19.Na5 Nxd3 20.cxd3 b4 21.axb4 Bxb4 22.Nxb7 Qxb7 >>23.Rc1 e5 24.Be3 >> ³ (-0.34) Depth: 13/44 00:01:56 71132kN >>16...d5 17.Bd2 Qc7 18.Na5 Ba8 19.Bd3 Nc5 20.Be3 Nxd3 21.Rxd3 Nd7 22.Nb3 Ne5 >>23.Rdd1 dxe4 24.Nxe4 Bxe4 25.fxe4 Nxg4 >> ³ (-0.44) Depth: 14/44 00:03:30 128347kN >>16...d5 17.Bd2 Qc7 18.g5 hxg5 19.h6 gxh6 20.Rxh6 Kg7 21.Rh3 Rh8 22.Rg3 Rh5 >>23.exd5 Bxd5 24.Nd4 Nc4 25.Nxd5 Nxd2+ 26.Qxd2 exd5 >> ³ (-0.44) Depth: 15/44 00:05:28 198331kN >>16...d5 17.Bd2 Qc7 18.g5 hxg5 19.h6 gxh6 20.Rxh6 Kg7 21.Rh3 Rh8 22.Rg3 Rh5 23.f4 >>dxe4 24.Be2 Rhh8 25.fxg5 >> ³ (-0.31) Depth: 16/48 00:08:31 307331kN >>16...Rxc3 17.bxc3 Na4 18.Bd2 Qc7 19.Bd3 Ne5 20.Ka2 Nxc3+ 21.Bxc3 Qxc3 22.Qd4 Qc7 >>23.Qe3 d5 24.Qf4 Bd6 25.Qe3 Qc3 >> µ (-0.71) Depth: 16/50 00:12:32 462913kN >> >>(, 01.11.2005) >> >>Uri > >I can add that it is very good that you beat Fruit but it seems that you simply >did it by a tactical shot. > >Rxc3 is a tactical shot that fruit simply missed and I think that a lot of >programs need a long time for it. > >I tried prodeo that you consider as better and I do not see that it finds Rxc3 >easily > >Maybe it can find it faster and I did not check it but it seems to be clearly a >search problem. > >Uri > >Uri Shredder 9.1 also sees it very fast. The real question is why Fruit likes to retreat the good Nd4 to b3 at all? Shredder never considers it e.g. There must be a lot of better moves than Nb3?. Guenther
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